[NCUC-DISCUSS] Leadership roles in NCUC and NCSG

[Cheryl Langdon-Orr]

Wise words indeed, Stephanie, from another ancient in the field and usually
more silent Member of this community (obviously not too silent in other
places ;-)
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On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 01:05, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> This is a very important discussion, and I feel compelled to chime in.
> First let me say that I am aware that:
> 1). I am old.  Or the preferred term is, a senior citizen
> 2). I have been continuously elected to something since 2014, after I was
> recruited by Kathy Kleiman to come in and serve on the WHOIS Board selected
> team, as a privacy expert.  So I have had 11 straight years of serving in
> various capacities.  Thato is right, it is somebody else’s turn.
>
> However, I would argue that we as an organisation representing civil
> society, have to have a blend of experienced people who have done things
> like serve on Boards, serve in management positions, run businesses, etc.
> Youthful passion and recent university graduation are powerful, but we in
> arguing policy matters here are up against senior representatives of
> business and industry, including many senior lawyers who are earning high
> fees to come to ICANN and get what their clients want.  Furthermore, the
> other stakeholder groups on the GNSO have skin in the game….this is their
> business we are arguing about.  They are perfectly entitled to ask, what
> exactly do you guys bring to this game?  So knowledge and experience are
> required, we can’t just stand up and say we represent the public interest.
> New people are required, we cannot just be the same old faces.  But we
> certainly need better ways of working together to get a just combination of
> youth and experience.
>
> When the Internet came to be commercialised, there were few people who
> understood it.  When the first WSIS meetings were held, many of our older
> members (including me) went to those meetings, knew the folks running them,
> were working on policies to manage the coming Internet etc.  A lot of those
> folks remain engaged to this day.  It was a lot easier to claim expertise
> back then, as there was not as much competition.   Now things are different
> for young people coming up….there is a lot to learn, and millions of people
> learning it. Even if you studied internet governance, when you arrive at
> ICANN and try to engage on pdps, it is overwhelming.  It is hard to win an
> argument at the best of times, but if you are up against folks who have
> been fighting here at ICANN for 20 years or so, you need help.
>
> The summer schools on Internet governance are fantastic, and we must thank
> many of our members for running them.  They are not enough though….I went
> to the one in Germany back in 2015 and I learned a lot, but it has not been
> enough to manage day to day.  Contributing to pops is required if you want
> to lead here, because sooner or later you are going to be asked hard
> questions, and if you have no clue, you lose respect…not just for yourself,
> but for our organizations, who you represent.  Therefore it is important
> that we improve our mentorship programs.  We need to get more senior folks
> to help, to answer questions, to shadow our younger people and give
> counsel.  However, we have to be asked.  I have offered to help, to mentor
> folks on WHOIS and privacy issues.  Nobody asks.  Folks will ask us to
> write digest or notes explaining things to them….fine, but send us the
> questions you have, so we can target our summaries.
>
> I am hanging around even though I will have no formal role next year.  I
> would cheerfully help anyone who wants to learn.
>
> Kind regards
> Stephanie Perrin
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 2024, at 1:57 PM, Johan Helsingius <
> 00001963cc94b85a-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > On 14/05/2024 19:44, Remmy Nweke wrote:
> >
> >> This observation is well in order but the problem is with the NCSG
> Charter which has no limitation on tenure.
> >
> > "The NCSG Chair is elected by the general NCSG membership for a
> >  one-year term and is limited to two consecutive terms."
> >
> > "GNSO Council Representatives are subject to terms limits as specified
> >  in Article X, Section 3 of the Bylaws and the GNSO Operating Procedures
> >  (GOP)."
> >
> > From the GOP Article 11 Section 3 (b):
> > "Except in a "special circumstance," such as, but not limited to,
> >  meeting geographic or other diversity requirements defined in the
> >  Stakeholder Group charters, where no alternative representative is
> >  available to serve, no Council member may be selected to serve more
> >  than two consecutive terms, in such a special circumstance a Council
> >  member may serve one additional term."
> >
> >       Julf
>
>
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