ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board
Bruna Martins dos Santos
bruna.mrtns at GMAIL.COM
Sat Sep 17 22:17:03 EEST 2022
Hey all,
Thank you so much for continuing the discussion. Im writing just to inform
everyone that I tried to submit a new set of questions to our meeting with
the Board, and I'm pasting them below:
NCSG meeting with the ICANN Board
PDPs Effectiveness and Volunteer fatigue
1.
NCSG would like to discuss Board Approval, implementation by ICANN org
and delays of several PDPs - something we have already discussed with you
in previous occasions. If we look at processes such as the EPDP related
ones I think we can find a good example due
2.
to the fact that even despite the fact that the board didn't yet approve
phase 2 recommendation, which were submitted in 2020, there is talk about
the design paper of SSAD light. And in the past years, I guess we started
gathering more examples of where the development process drags on for far
too long and the implementation becomes the place de facto to redo policy
recommendations. So NCSG would like to request the board for comments about
the current speed or even how do you plan to work together with GNSO and
its groups on possible improvements to the PDPs timeline and so on.
3.
What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the community from
volunteer fatigue?
Whois Disclosure System
1.
The recently published Whois Disclosure System design paper mentioned a
risk that the system might not provide actionable data for use to answer
questions raised by the SSAD ODA and this makes us a little concerned about
the EPDP recommendations. The direction this work is going seems to point
towards the intention to throw away the EPDP recommendations related to
SSAD. I'd like to know what the board thinks about this concern.
ICANN Leadership positions
1.
What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN recycling veterans
for leadership positions. Does the Board think it’s beneficial for the
community to have the usual suspects rotating between leadership roles of
different stakeholder groups? How do we fix this if we agree this is a
problem? How does the Board imagine its role in assisting the community to
recruit more new blood?
NomCom
1.
*NCSG has been talking for a long time about the lack of proper
representation at the NomCom, the current state of things is that this part
of the community only holds one seat at the group - currently held by NCUC
- and we trust this configuration is not really representative of the
diversity of stakeholders within GNSO or even proportional if we consider
that other SGs hold more than just one seat. Therefore we have a very
simple question: is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?*
Best,
Bruna
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:53 AM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> I totally agree, Caleb - we all seem to be on the same page
> on this. Will sound out some Board members privately first,
> but then we need to address it officially as well.
>
> Julf
>
> On 17-09-2022 11:11, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> > Thank you Juff,
> >
> > I'm happy to read your commitment and support for this. While we should
> > come up with a good strategy as suggested you and Farzii, we should test
> > the waters with this opportunity of asking the board for thier views.
> >
> > This opportunity of asking the board informally for thier views could
> > perhaps help us test the waters and strengthen our internal strategy and
> > position + next steps of documenting a formal approach.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Caleb Ogundele
> >
> > ________________
> >
> > Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device.
> >
> > Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 10:10 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Caleb,
> >
> > It is my understanding (but I might be completely wrong) that the
> board
> > has already signalled that this is a GNSO matter, but yes, we should
> > continue pushing. We shouild also continue to push the contracted
> > parties.
> >
> > Julf
> >
> > On 15-09-2022 06:16, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> > > Hi Johan,
> > >
> > > I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it
> > comes to
> > > NomCom rebalancing.
> > >
> > > If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the
> board
> > > except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then
> > we can
> > > do internal constituency rebalancing.
> > >
> > > The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat
> they
> > > have and so it's good we make our case clear enough.
> > >
> > > Caleb
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>
> > > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bruna,
> > >
> > > Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for
> > quite
> > > a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition
> > Program
> > > Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to
> them
> > > to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.
> > >
> > > The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be
> > primarily
> > > a GNSO Council issue.
> > >
> > > The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look
> > at the
> > > most recent NomCom appointments).
> > >
> > > Julf
> > >
> > >
> > > On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> > > > Hello, all,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following
> > > questions
> > > > are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:
> > > >
> > > > 1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN
> > recycling
> > > > veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board
> > think it’s
> > > > beneficial for the community to have the usual
> > suspects rotating
> > > > between leadership roles of different stakeholder
> groups?
> > > How do we
> > > > fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the
> Board
> > > imagine
> > > > its role in assisting the community to recruit more new
> > > blood?____/
> > > > 2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/
> > > > 3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the
> > > community from
> > > > volunteer fatigue?/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set
> of
> > > questions
> > > > because these are either a. questions that
> cant necessarily be
> > > solved by
> > > > the board or b. things we have addressed with them before.
> > Topics
> > > like
> > > > 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for
> more
> > > than just
> > > > one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound
> > like a
> > > broken
> > > > radio repeating the same problems over and over again;
> > added to
> > > that I
> > > > think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least
> > one policy
> > > > topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its
> > proposed
> > > > sounds a little empty.
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy
> > topic I can
> > > > still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of
> > > changing one
> > > > of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to
> suggest
> > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Bruna
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> > > > <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Sam,
> > > >
> > > > Good observations. I can understand why you put the
> > focus on
> > > career
> > > > progression but I think significant focus needs to
> > also be put on
> > > > the category where participation is heavily motivated
> > by simply
> > > > doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you
> > suggest,
> > > this
> > > > category will neither build career capital nor will it
> > > provide any
> > > > resources for ICANN participation.
> > > >
> > > > Those in this category may have active careers, but
> > their careers
> > > > are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their
> career
> > > does not
> > > > benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN.
> The
> > > employers
> > > > of those in this category are often not interested in
> > ICANN's
> > > work
> > > > and do not support them in any way, even with leave
> > off work to
> > > > travel to an ICANN meeting.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, those in this category will certainly
> > benefit and can
> > > > only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources
> were
> > > based on
> > > > participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes
> the
> > > > "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more
> > > complex. Not
> > > > recognising that this category of volunteers also
> heavily
> > > depend on
> > > > ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as
> > well.
> > > >
> > > > Warmly,
> > > > Tomslin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco,
> > <lanfran at yorku.ca <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>
> > > <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>>
> > > > <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>
> > <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would like to add a couple of comments here. For
> > years
> > > I ran
> > > > the listserv for the International Society for
> > Third Sector
> > > > Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on
> > > volunteerism
> > > > and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem,
> and
> > > several
> > > > patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers
> > are dwindling
> > > > through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger
> volunteers
> > > are less
> > > > forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is
> that
> > > due to a
> > > > generational behavioral shift or the changing
> > demands of
> > > careers
> > > > and volunteer work?
> > > >
> > > > Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are
> > motivated by
> > > three
> > > > drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal
> > satisfaction; (3)
> > > career
> > > > advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder
> > model, outside
> > > > NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are
> > engaged as
> > > part of
> > > > their paid job (a form of career advancement).
> Inside
> > > NCSG young
> > > > participants join for all three reasons, with many
> > seeing
> > > > participation to (hopefully) build career capital.
> > This
> > > can be
> > > > particularly true for participants from areas
> > where career
> > > > opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN
> > > participants
> > > > have support for participation, either as an
> expense
> > > account or
> > > > an ability to cost ICANN participation against
> > professional
> > > > income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more
> > binding and
> > > > ICANN support is usually essential, and more than
> > just a
> > > “perk”.
> > > >
> > > > If one thinks of the elected and appointed
> > positions within
> > > > ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the
> NCSG
> > > volunteer
> > > > participation challenge boils down to two things,
> one
> > > difficult
> > > > and one relatively easy. The difficult one is
> > resources.
> > > > Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they
> > go? Looking
> > > > over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests
> > that many of
> > > > those who are active have careers (lawyers,
> academics,
> > > > consultants) where ICANN participation builds
> > career capital,
> > > > and where careers provide some resources for ICANN
> > > > participation. The challenge here becomes that
> > allocating
> > > NCSG
> > > > resources (travel) based on participation and
> > ICANN knowledge
> > > > favors those already best positioned to
> > participate. The “old
> > > > guard” gets the perks. This may become more
> > complicated
> > > as ICANN
> > > > seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet
> > > Governance
> > > > (TIG) scope of policy.
> > > >
> > > > The easier part, again in my view, would be a major
> > > expansion of
> > > > mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in
> several
> > > ways and
> > > > build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea
> > would be to
> > > > make elected positions include a mentorship
> > > responsibility, and
> > > > a process for selecting appropriate mentees.
> > Mentee positions
> > > > would come with the additional resources to make
> > > participation
> > > > possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could
> also
> > > result in
> > > > greater career capital benefits, and increase the
> > > probability of
> > > > continued ICANN participation. One step in that
> > direction
> > > might
> > > > be ICANN funding an in depth study of the
> > experiences of
> > > ICANN
> > > > Fellowship participants (and others), both in
> > terms of their
> > > > continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN
> work
> > > has fit
> > > > into their career progress, and in terms of the
> > hard choices
> > > > they must make about volunteering.
> > > >
> > > > Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress
> here
> > > because we
> > > > can assume all participants are intent on “doing
> good”
> > > and that
> > > > “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does
> > > inside ICANN
> > > > and how that relates to one’s work life. I look
> > forward
> > > to the
> > > > ideas and observations of others.
> > > >
> > > > Sam Lanfranco
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message-----
> > > > From: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>
> > > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
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> > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>>> On Behalf Of Johan
> > > > Helsingius
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 5:45 AM
> > > > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>
> > > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>>
> > > > Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN
> > Board
> > > >
> > > > > What level of effort is channeled to keep the
> > people
> > > in the
> > > > community
> > > > > not to get tired. Same for those that have
> > indepth culture
> > > > and ICANN
> > > > > experience that are exhausted and not actively
> > > participating
> > > > in PDP.
> > > >
> > > > Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a
> very
> > > serious
> > > > issue that needs to be addressed.
> > > >
> > > > Julf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> > > > /*
> > > >
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> > > Alexander
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> > >
> > >
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> >
>
--
*Bruna Martins dos Santos *
German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
für Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
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