NCSG Election Clarifications

[Joan Kerr]

Hello Vaibhav, All

Vaibhav, please understand that it is a good thing that we debate issues,
or question decisions  However, it is still expected that we behave
cordially and professionally as well.

As a member of NCSG, I feel that embarrassing our members with a tweet, and
threatening a member is in bad taste.  It is a very hard time for
volunteers, trying to accomplish the heavy load to also be exposed to
threats and embarrassment.

I agree with debates, even heated ones, threats no.
Regards,


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:08 PM Vaibhav Aggarwal <va at bladebrains.com> wrote:

> Dear Barina,
>
> Remember - for you and all on the list - Dissent is the form the value of
> any debate, not culling of the voice by threatening. I take offense that
> Muller threatens me on the list. As a leader, management of dissent is ur
> utmost priority in Chairing a Volunteer Group - U r not the only volunteer,
> everyone are including me, especially those who don’t use the resources of
> the group to further their personal agendas.
>
> I will await your action on my complaint - 2 of them. This is serious
> offense - either in the nature of the group or any law of the land. And if
> u support reckless behavior - then god be with you !
>
> Regards
> Vaibhav Aggarwal
>
> Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>
> On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Vaibhav Aggarwal <va at bladebrains.com> wrote:
>
> As the chair, I do not appreciate your response.
> As a Chair, I demand a Public apology from Muller for degrading the
> discourse and targeting me. In my opinion it is racist behavior and I feel
> hurt.
> Please consider this as lodging a formal complaint.
>
> Muller or any other member, does not have a right to be disrespectful and
> absolute degrading in his / her Communication’s. A
>
> Secondly,
>
> I have kept the discourse limited to words that make absolute sense. The
> are points of discussions, violations that I pointed out and so did many
> others and it is a healthy discussion. For eg. Quite a few members have
> travelled, as per rules, (we are talking of rules) why there aren’t any
> reports filed ? I want to know - isn’t that part of governance ? Just one
> point - aren’t we all talking about procedures ?
>
> It will be great if u would, as a Chair take responsibility & instead of
> writing to me - singling me out, why don’t we talk of the points I have
> highlighted. I’d like to keep the discourse aligned to policy intervention
> not schooling.
>
> Thanks & regards
> -VA
>
> Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 11:19 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hey Vaibhav,
>
> I find it very unfortunate to see this level of discourse here. After all
> the Meet the Candidates calls it was clear to us all how important it was
> to foster a good environment on the lists just so all our members felt ok
> with giving in their opinions and so on.
>
> Of course debates can get very heated at times, but it is important to
> operate in such lists bearing in mind the expected standards of behavior
> and also reminding to keep some level of civility with our colleagues. But
> I would also like to remind you that we are the ones responsible on whether
> a conversation can remain within the lines of a civil yet heated discussion
> or if it goes down the path of accusations.
>
> So, for next time, it might be good to keep in mind that we are all
> volunteers here and very committed to the things we discuss. And this level
> of accusations wont take us anywhere.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bruna Santos
> NCUC Chair
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:22 PM Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what GIT is, but if you start reporting people to ICANN be
>> assured that your message below is a clear violation of ICANN’s expected
>> standards of behavior, so you may just end up ejecting yourself from our
>> midst.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --MM
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO <va at bladebrains.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:49 AM
>> *To:* Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>> *Cc:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: NCSG Election Clarifications
>>
>>
>>
>> Muller,
>>
>>
>>
>> Watch it - Dont cross it -
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>>
>>
>> Responding to your Imbecile self is beneath me - for the sake for my
>> respect for everyone on the list - Your talk is baseless, Senseless. And
>> Before you open your heart to type Gibberish - here on the list -
>> Disrespect everyone else, Look me up who I am - I will not just report you
>> to the GIT in the USA but to ICANN also,
>>
>>
>>
>> You will have to tender an Apology in Public if I was to make it an
>> issue. So stay the Hell in your LIMITS.
>>
>>
>>
>> You sound Racist and trust me - I have dealt with quite a few and fixed
>> them too.
>>
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>> -VA
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>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton at GATECH.EDU> wrote:
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>>
>> Vaibhav,
>>
>> Stop talking nonsense. Pay attention to the facts. The problem here is
>> not that “veterans” are picking their successors, or we are being
>> “undemocratic.” The problem is these two things:
>>
>> 1)      There is a rule that requires that no less than 2 of the 6
>> councilors will be women,
>>
>> 2)      Only one woman was running for the second position our rules
>> require be occupied by a female.
>>
>> Therefore, as a simple matter of logic, that one woman will be elected.
>>
>>
>>
>> This has been explained several times. What do you not understand about
>> this? The rule is clearly stated in the charter. Unless your goal is to
>> needlessly divide people, please make sure that all your comments about the
>> election reflect these facts.  IF you don’t like the rule (I think it is
>> badly formulated) work to change it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>
>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>> School of Public Policy
>>
>> Internet Governance Project <https://internetgovernance.org/>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO <va at bladebrains.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:45 AM
>> *To:* Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>> *Cc:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: NCSG Election Clarifications
>>
>>
>>
>> Some what good but Muller - IF there are 100 people who vote - and 50
>> abstain - 30 Vote - Where are the ratios ? How can you call that an
>> Election ? Where is the purpose of elections - Why to waste everybody’s
>> time - Let Tapani or Robin and a Few Vetrans in the policy work choose who
>> their successors will be - let it be nomination by wise people.
>>
>>
>>
>> -VA
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> @boomartins
>
>

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