Zoom is compromised

Fri Apr 3 05:40:03 EEST 2020

I agree with you we should work towards making online platforms across the
board more secure and with greater respect for privacy but I do not see
this discussion as zoom bashing. I use zoom all the time and will probably
continue to do so, however once it is in 'official' use by ICANN we are
totally justified in sharing concerns and figuring out how to protect
ourselves.  I am deeply appreciative of those who brought these issues to
our attention.  Thanks again!

best to all

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:05 AM Niel Harper <niel.harper at ieee.org> wrote:

> Zoom has privacy and security issues, let's get that out of the way.
>
>
> However, other platforms like Microsoft Teams, Cisco WebEx, Citrix
> GoToMeeting, Slack, and others also have their own issues around privacy
> and security. WebEx does not employ end-to-end encryption by default (and
> many users don't know this). GoToMeeting has input validation and
> authentication issues and doesn't have any measures to alert or prevent
> others from recording sessions, among other things. Most all of them have
> third-party integration or API call vulnerabilities. Another issue is that
> for functionality and ease of use reasons, many of the robust privacy and
> security controls in these platforms are switched off by default. There are
> also issues with underlying OS issues that can be exploited through the
> tools.
>
>
> Shouldn't the larger and more valuable discussion be about how we focus
> our efforts on making online platforms across the board more secure and
> privacy respecting?
>
>
> This Zoom bashing is a distraction and not constructive at all.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Niel Harper
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:49 AM lists at icann.guru <lists at icann.guru> wrote:
>
>> For 95% of peoples threat models there is no actual risk here. Its
>> fearmongering at its worst.
>>
>> *---*
>> *James Gannon*
>>
>> On 03/04/2020 09:47:48, Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Raoul, all;
>>
>> Here is the official response from Zoom:
>> https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/04/01/facts-around-zoom-encryption-for-meetings-webinars/
>>
>> What do you all make of it? At the moment, I don't intend to switch
>> services and hope this can help strengthen Zoom's security and transparency
>> processes going forward.
>>
>> Stay safe and well,
>> -Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 5:14 AM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dorothy and All,
>>>
>>> I'm a strong advocate of FOSS. However, using Linux does not always
>>> means it's full proof from attacks.
>>>
>>> That said, on an advisory note to ICANN ORG, *SSAC* used to be at the
>>> fore
>>> front of these things and we have not seen them flag this yet. Are they
>>> socially distancing themselves from Zoom?
>>>
>>> In another news, I had concerns about the report ICANN shared recently.
>>> It contained information that suggests ICANN had access to some attendees
>>> usage of the app. For sure I know hosts might know the programs I'm running
>>> at the instance of that meeting.
>>> If you read the privacy policy of zoom, it says :"*we may collect
>>> Personal Data from or about you when you use or otherwise interact with our
>>> Products." *
>>> That also calls for concerns.
>>>
>>> Speaking of Linux and FOSS. Perhaps, now is the time for FOSS
>>> enthusiasts to consider running all zoom meeting instances on a sandboxed
>>> VM or flatpak.
>>>
>>> Now that we are locked in and it does not seem we have much alternative.
>>> Here is a text and video guide for not so technically advanced users who do
>>> not know how to use sandboxed VM or flatpak to help us at the moment
>>> pending when zoom fixes it's flaws.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/JvTMA6d-LwU
>>>
>>> Or
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2020/04/safety-and-security-while-video-conferencing/
>>>
>>>
>>> Caleb Ogundele
>>>
>>> ________________
>>>
>>> Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device.
>>>
>>> Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 9:46 AM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stick with Linux!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:16 AM Joly MacFie <jolynyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with this commenter.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/04/unpatched-zoom-bug-lets-attackers-steal-windows-credentials-with-no-warning/?comments=1&post=38771635#comment-38771635
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *This is evidently a Microsoft Windows flaw.It appears to be reported
>>>>> along the same lines as: the Tech Industry built insecure products, so
>>>>> let's train users to not click links.Fix Windows so it doesn't send
>>>>> credentials to random SMB servers on the internet that bear no relation to
>>>>> the host's domain, and using an insecure protocol to boot.Sheesh!  *
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:35 PM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/04/unpatched-zoom-bug-lets-attackers-steal-windows-credentials-with-no-warning/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This discovery was made yesterday, so it's not an April fool's day
>>>>>> prank..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:03 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/k7e599/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-facebook-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Zoom app notifies Facebook when the user opens the app,
>>>>>>>> details on the user's device such as the model, the time zone and city they
>>>>>>>> are connecting from, which phone carrier they are using, and a unique
>>>>>>>> advertiser identifier
>>>>>>>> <https://konsole.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115013349668-Identify-Android-AdIDs-Apple-IDFAs-and-Safari-IDs> created
>>>>>>>> by the user's device which companies can use to target a user with
>>>>>>>> advertisements
>>>>>>>> <https://www.singular.net/mobile-tutorial-series-idfa-apple-identifier-advertisers/>
>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 17:53, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/27/trolls-zoom-privacy-settings-covid-19-lockdown
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dorothy Gordon
>>>>
>>>
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