[article] .org price cap complaints more like =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9Cspam=E2=80=9D_?=says Ombudsman

[Corinne Cath]

Hi,

I also support this proposal and would think that given Stephanie’s
experience within ICAAN writing this letter is not going to be so
heavy-duty that it will incapacitate her (or the NCSG) to also keep focused
on other issues.

I understand we need to be careful about how (and how many) letters we
write, that being said this seems like it might be an issue that reoccurs
in the future. As such, it seems useful to apply our experience with such
civil society campaigns and make the importance of them legible to the
Ombudsperson for future reference.

Just my .2

Kind regards,

Corinne


On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 07:18, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't support this proposal. I think while the ombuds reaction and
> response are not appropriate, we have many more issues to prioritize and
> write about. This is not an opportunity to reform the ombuds office.
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:55 AM Shah Rahman <shah.zahidur at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I support this proposal.
>>
>> Shah
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 11:58 MAURICIA ABDOL <ladymauriciaa12 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I support the proposal.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Mauricia
>>>
>>> Ms. Mauricia Abdol
>>>
>>> BA. PSY, LCS, WGS; BA HONS. PSY (UWC)
>>> MA Child & Family Studies UWC
>>> Independent Contractor - Appen Ltd.
>>> Facilitator Interprofessional Health Studies UWC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, 05:44 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to lend my support to this proposal. Thanks, Stephanie.
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>> On Thursday, 12 September 2019 04:44, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <
>>>> wolfgang at KLEINWAECHTER.INFO> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1++ to Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> wolfgang
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> hat am 12.
>>>> September 2019 um 02:06 geschrieben:
>>>>
>>>> I think that the matter merits a response from us.  Civil society
>>>> functions in broad coalitions and does a lot of its work through petitions
>>>> and sign on campaigns.  To dismiss a form letter is therefore unacceptable
>>>> for these reasons; to interpret a signature on a form letter as spam is in
>>>> my view at least demonstrating a failure to understand how public campaigns
>>>> actually work.  The onus is on us, as users of this technique, to correct
>>>> this assertion.
>>>>
>>>> If our members support this opinion, I will draft up a letter to send
>>>> to the Board.  The Ombudsman is of course entirely entitled to his opinion
>>>> and response, but we should explain to the Board how we feel about the
>>>> matter.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know by the end of the week, if there is no objection I will
>>>> draft up a letter.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>
>>>> NCSG Chair
>>>> On 2019-09-11 19:23, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Michael, I agree that the optics here are poor - particularly given this does seem inconsistent with how ICANN has previously treated coordinated submissions. Back in 2017, when numerous intellectual property interests were sending in identical, form letters regarding the importance of maintaining open-ended unaccountable Whois, I didn't see these being disregarded as being spam submissions. Nor should they have been, as while the messaging was identical, the sentiments were sincerely held. I hope that the Ombudsman might reconsider his stance on this matter.
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>> On Thursday, 12 September 2019 01:13, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at GMAIL.COM> <mkaranicolas at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ugh. This is a really bad look for the Ombudsman. These kinds of
>>>> coordinated campaigns are absolutely standard practice for civil
>>>> society. Open Media, for example, does this all the time in public
>>>> comment periods, providing their network with a list of "talking
>>>> points" and a link, and encouraging them to submit things on these
>>>> lines. So long as these are actual people or organizations that are
>>>> submitting the comments (as opposed to bots) - it's 100% legitimate.
>>>> There's been no indication that the comments here were automated, or
>>>> that there was anything fishy about the organizations submitting the
>>>> comments.
>>>>
>>>> Even putting aside his ultimate recommendation to dismiss the
>>>> complaint, this is a very disappointing and narrow-minded stance for
>>>> the Ombudsman to take.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>>> Wikimedia Fellow
>>>> Yale Law School
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM Ayden Férdeline icann at ferdeline.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I am sharing this article for information purposes:
>>>> org price cap complaints more like “spam” says Ombudsmanhttp://domainincite.com/24720-org-price-cap-complaints-more-like-spam-says-ombudsman
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
> Farzaneh
>
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