ICANN and the Public interest

Thu Oct 10 19:05:58 EEST 2019

Hello,
I too, please add me in.
Olévié

Le jeu. 10 oct. 2019 à 17:46, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at dnrc.tech> a écrit :

> Could you add me too, Elsa, tx!
>
> Kathy
> On 10/9/2019 3:23 PM, Elsa S wrote:
>
> Excellent, I’ll start a separate list for us four!
>
> Thank you for volunteering folks,
>
> Elsa
> —
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:07 AM Peter Micek <petermicek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please loop me in as well, thank you.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:25 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <
>> rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can! Just loop me in the doc
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 4:11 PM Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amr,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for stepping up on this. And for raising important
>>>> points on the list.
>>>>
>>>> Given that noone else has written back yet and given the short amount
>>>> of time we have, I guess the best way forward would be to draft an initial
>>>> response and then take it from there on the list over two days’ time from
>>>> the 11th so that the PC would also have time to review the document before
>>>> submission time. What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> I’d be more than happy to help post initial drafting! Anyone else
>>>> willing to help Amr and I with this?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Elsa
>>>> —
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 9:51 AM Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at icannpolicy.ninja>
>>>> <aelsadr at icannpolicy.ninja> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I might be able to help draft something, but don’t believe I’ll be
>>>>> able to begin before Friday, 11 October. My personal views on how ICANN
>>>>> should tackle the “Global Public Interest” (GPI) are pretty consistent with
>>>>> the recent text prepared by Farzaneh and Elsa, which was included in a
>>>>> recent letter from the GNSO Council to the ICANN Board
>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/drazek-et-al-to-icann-board-09sep19-en.pdf>.
>>>>> It wouldn’t be too challenging to elaborate on this further.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I should note that in the past, the NCSG has not had a
>>>>> consensus position on this topic (kind of similar to the recent discussion
>>>>> on ICANN regulating gTLD domain name registration pricing). GPI hasn’t come
>>>>> up on this mailing list in a while, so I honestly don’t recall who had
>>>>> previously engaged in our discussion on this, nor what their rationale was.
>>>>> Apologies for that. I do, however, know quite well what my views on the
>>>>> subject are. :-) I just hesitate to present those as NCSG views, as I do
>>>>> not know that it would be correct for me to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amr
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2019, at 5:07 AM, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> The deadline for submission of this comment is the 18th of this month
>>>>> and according to Rafik noone has volunteered to write an NCSG response yet.
>>>>> I’d be happy to help support the team of volunteers anyway possible, but
>>>>> cannot write the comment myself due to a big workload on the council side.
>>>>> However I would really encourage a small team of us to engage with this
>>>>> topic urgently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any volunteers willing to work together?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> E.
>>>>> —
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:39 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for references Elsa. I'll go dig out the archives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 11:27, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s also good to note that these two instances were not the only
>>>>>>> ones, however I shared them here promptly, for the sake of providing a
>>>>>>> couple of examples. I’m sure others on the PC would be able to provide more
>>>>>>> details :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elsa
>>>>>>> —
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:24 PM Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Tomslin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the question!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually in Kobe, (off the top of my head) we had a meeting with
>>>>>>>> the board where Global Public Interest was discussed. I’m pretty sure if
>>>>>>>> you look at the archives of that meeting which I think was recorded, you’d
>>>>>>>> find several statements by NCSG reps on the issue in conversation with
>>>>>>>> board members. I remember quite vividly that we mentioned, it’s best not to
>>>>>>>> use the term loosely, if at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We’ve also raised the issue of the use of “global public interest”
>>>>>>>> most recently at the GNSO Council level. The board recently sent a letter
>>>>>>>> to the coyncil about Phase 1 of the EPDP and referred to “Global Public
>>>>>>>> Interest” in their reasoning for concern within the letter. NCSG pushed for
>>>>>>>> expressing concern about the use of the term in the letter from the GNSO
>>>>>>>> Council and our wording was incorporated into the GNSO Council’s reply.
>>>>>>>> This should definitely be in the archives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apologies that i will not be able to provide links at the moment,
>>>>>>>> however I thought the question needed to be answered promptly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> E.
>>>>>>>> —
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:25 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Milton for the nudge and thanks Rafik for the details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> , you said "*Even though NCSG in
>>>>>>>>> the past year as far as I’ve seen, has been pushing for not using the word
>>>>>>>>> from the start,*" do we (NCSG) have any formal statement on this
>>>>>>>>> recorded somewhere that I can take a look at?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 10:05, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the details about public consultation below. I created a google
>>>>>>>>>> doc so we can start the drafting for a NCSG Comment
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nZJ91SSW55Isl2iBAEASopfYnWcsgsBcXdB5hUUjNdI/edit.
>>>>>>>>>> you can listen to webinar recordings  here
>>>>>>>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/prjxplrpublicint/GPI+Toolkit
>>>>>>>>>>  .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From 18 September – 18 October 2019, a community consultation is
>>>>>>>>>> taking place on the global public interest framework proposed by
>>>>>>>>>> the ICANN Board. In reviewing the proposal, the ICANN Board is asking the
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN community to consider the following questions for input to the ICANN
>>>>>>>>>> Board:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.  What are your thoughts on the proposed framework approach?
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any suggestions for how it could be improved?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2.  What are your thoughts on the proposed approach for
>>>>>>>>>> decisions in the ICANN ecosystem to be accompanied by a consideration of
>>>>>>>>>> their impact on the global public interest (as well as an
>>>>>>>>>> explanation regarding what is meant by the GPI in the specific case)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3.  How do you see this working for the Supporting Organization
>>>>>>>>>> (SO), Advisory Committee (AC), constituency, group, review team, or
>>>>>>>>>> cross-community working group (CCWG) to which you are contributing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The global public interest is central to many of ICANN’s primary
>>>>>>>>>> governance documents, and the ICANN Board hopes to play a role in
>>>>>>>>>> facilitating a bottom-up, community-driven process to develop a framework
>>>>>>>>>> as a toolkit for the ICANN community to consider the global
>>>>>>>>>> public interest. These considerations would not change the
>>>>>>>>>> process by which decisions are made but could instead serve as tools for
>>>>>>>>>> the community to reinforce the commitment to the public interest
>>>>>>>>>> and to demonstrate how specific recommendations, advice, and
>>>>>>>>>> public comments are in the globalpublic interest. This includes
>>>>>>>>>> the ICANN community guiding the ICANN Board about the public interest
>>>>>>>>>> determination the latter must make in its decisions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To learn more about the framework, please read the discussion
>>>>>>>>>> paper [r20.rs6.net]
>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__r20.rs6.net_tn.jsp-3Ff-3D0014631p6ECz1koeg6ajMSzZrFT7DO05069BKNDJvhNpKDU-2D38mdcxCqJ1EJzj5gscgfkGfGj-2DFGI3o7d-5FcGAxvEYcLuDt-2DuNbFw7pLtAPwsOOBVyljJ-5FnOUkAdXGEq-5Fpqhnx9MAz7aDEHi3hvOaYb3gqWjXDXghZrpf0Ca1iUZzXdnGBbim2ZY09p7WU0m-2DXOMIhpn2CTVR7lR4v-2DDeX-5F4RZFHV0Vx2gnIRwJwkZKqQoiglVM4l6PG-2Df7xB-5FIkXMVwTDMtu5FHvXFhlTLLJIN5Jg-3D-3D-26c-3Dz44JySTIvEGqNJPIjwWImwF59dG21I-2DoxnM1Mz6G5PmaucLg5GaW-5Fg-3D-3D-26ch-3DFcbT1z5bmkz6UEfk6eUJehq3ywPR-5FHTaxr7BzhY6q17TcrAkO831rw-3D-3D&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=Zrm2TmioSoHmD-RVsf08eb9s33A4I2k08_uP0LOo_zA&s=Y1oSQaaaH67cndtqhCcGryOkThAU0RpFNJVzZzD0mGc&e=>.
>>>>>>>>>> Community feedback is welcome by *Friday, 18 October 2019 via
>>>>>>>>>> email at **gpitoolkit at icann.org <gpitoolkit at icann.org>*. After
>>>>>>>>>> the community consultation, there will be a public session at
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN66, followed by a Public Comment proceeding.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Le mar. 24 sept. 2019 à 08:53, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a
>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Milton!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ICANN seems adamant about using the terms on a context to
>>>>>>>>>>> context basis given the new proposed path forward, also shared in two
>>>>>>>>>>> webinars this month.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even though NCSG in the past year as far as I’ve seen, has been
>>>>>>>>>>> pushing for not using the word from the start, it seems we might have to
>>>>>>>>>>> actively work on mitigating the risk of its use in a more structurally
>>>>>>>>>>> biased way.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m keeping an eye out for any developments on the consultation
>>>>>>>>>>> phase (even though I would have preferred a formal public comment phase
>>>>>>>>>>> instead), but would also invite that we all have a discussion about the
>>>>>>>>>>> proposed way forward by ICANN, more meticulously and collectively.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Elsa
>>>>>>>>>>> —
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:59 PM Mueller, Milton L <
>>>>>>>>>>> milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was reading some scholarly literature about public service
>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcasting and came across this statement from a GigaNet colleague, Yik
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chin:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The Constitution of the PRC indeed speaks the language of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Public Interest (PI), and the term regularly appears in legal provisions
>>>>>>>>>>>> without definition. There have been no juridical interpretations of ‘PI’,
>>>>>>>>>>>> either. This ambiguity gives discretionary power to the authorities to
>>>>>>>>>>>> interpret ‘PI’ in ways that invade and deprive individuals of their rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chin, Y.C 2012.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Food for thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> School of Public Policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>>>>>>>> Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>>>>> Consultant
>>>>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>>>> Consultant
>>>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>> Consultant
>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>> Consultant
>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>
>>> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>
> --
> Kathy Kleiman
> President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
>
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