Procedures/Individual/organizations membership at NCSG

[farzaneh badii]

Well there is no doubt that the charter said the EC is in charge of setting
membership limits.

I don't know what you mean by legal. Under which law???

It's  nearing the end of my term and I have many more things to do, this is
not a priority. Either you can make substantive constructive changes to
these procedures instead of just thrashing  them (by simply just removing
the paragraph and say let's not set a limit) or we can leave them
unapproved and forget about them.

 It was not done during the past chairs terms, I don't think it will kill
us if it doesn't get approved now either nor during Stephanie's. I had just
promised procedures during my campaign, I wanted to deliver what I promised
but I think I have done enough   despite the resistance and not much help.





On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:00 AM Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 01:21, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot for commenting. I have now incorporated your comments
> > improved the document and sent to NCSG EC for review and approval. They
> > have until 21st September to review, make changes if needed and approve.
> If
> > they don't make major substantive changes, we won't do a second reading.
>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gt7vfXOl1RjTdh_iQd7E4yUjEiGez24jexNodQopgks/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Looking at that now there's a lot I find confusing. To keep this
> manageable, I'll pick just one now:
>
>
> "1.Where an individual member of the NCSG also belongs to a large NCSG
> member organization, the individual member may retain the individual
> membership under the following circumstances:
> [...]
>
> b. Where no more than 10  NCSG members who are members of NCSG in
> individual capacity are also members or employees of the same
> organization;"
>
>
> How do you propose to implement this?
>
> With an individual applicant you could technically ask if they're
> already members of a member organization, but I'm not sure that'd
> be legal - membership in political organizations and the like is
> sensitive information and asking for and retaining it is at least
> somewhat problematic if not outright illegal.
>
> And you'd have to require them to notify NCSG if they ever join such
> an organization or if an organization they belong to joins NCSG later,
> and they might not even notice that.
>
> And you most certainly can't ask an organizational applicant to list
> their members who are already NCSG members: there's no question that'd
> be illegal. Perhaps you could require them to review NCSG member list
> to verify there're not too many of their members in already, but even
> that would not help in case one joins later.
>
> So we might end up in a situation where someone becomes ineligible
> to membership without knowing it - indeed without *anybody* knowing it.
>
> So we'd have unconditional requirements that can't be verified even
> when everybody is acting in good faith.
>
> Moreover, I'm not sure the rule in NCSG Charter referred to applies:
> The conditions 1-3 under 2.2.5 are alternative categories, and it
> would seem to be the limit given under 3 only applies to individuals
> joining with that category, not others. That interpretation would also
> make my concern above go away, as then the organization in question
> would be known. If this was the intent all along, my apologies, then
> I'd just suggest rewriting it to make it explicit would be helpful.
>
>
> So, while I appreciate the concern behind this rule, I think it needs
> more thought. As presented it's not really a _procedure_ either, as
> there're no implementation details.
>
> Perhaps it'd be good to rethink this from that viewpoint: procedures
> for the EC to follow, situations it could or should act in, and how,
> rather than just conditions it should fulfill or enforce.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
-- 
Farzaneh
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