Elsa Saade as temp alternate to Arsene on GNSO Council
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA
Mon Jun 25 15:55:45 EEST 2018
good idea.
Stephanie.
On 2018-06-25 15:43, Elsa S wrote:
> Id suggest everyone who couldn’t make this meeting because of the visa
> to just send their country name - the exact visa issue and their
> suggestion in a brief three pointer! We could then collect these in
> one place and maybe get some requirements out of them for choosing
> countries for next set of ICANN meetings based on the restrictions for
> Panama.
>
> What do you think?
>
> E.
> —
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:18 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com
> <mailto:dgdorothydg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hmm! Sounds like something he should be actively working on. Can
> he tell us what he is doing about this?
>
> best
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:13 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com
> <mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dorothy, I just sounded this off Adam Peake, Global
> Stakeholder Engagement Senior Manager, Civil Society and his
> argument is that we should continue to show this up with as
> often as we can and moreso, bearing in mind the visa
> conditions of the countries hosting meeting varies.
> As a tech and information analyst, we have used our platforms
> to postulate this and will not relent.
> regards
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> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM dorothy g
> <dgdorothydg at gmail.com <mailto:dgdorothydg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Well, Remmy you are a journalist so lets publish a story
> about how Africans are kept out of these meeting. We can
> go through the list of hosts and the nature of
> restrictions and then talk about measures such as
> pre-clearance that could ensure that we are represented
> and we do not waste tickets.
> So ICANN must a) stop denying that there are different
> criteria for African visas
> b) negotiate with hosts to ensure clearance for key
> community members. Even if they have no Embassy other
> arrangements can be made.
> We have been too tolerant of these subtle or less overt
> but seriously damaging forms of discrimination.
>
> best
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:32 PM, Remmy Nweke
> <remmyn at gmail.com <mailto:remmyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> yes, it may have not been attended to in the past, but
> I agree we put it in the agenda for instance,
> NCSG-CEO-Board meetings as part of issues on the
> table. It is also VIP to reach out to the meeting
> organising team of ICANN as a feedback and push from
> every end, including NCSG, GAC, Business Constituency etc.
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> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
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> medium/]
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>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:28 PM dorothy g
> <dgdorothydg at gmail.com <mailto:dgdorothydg at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> When I say escalate I mean beyond conversation.
> Every bid should explain by region how they will
> facilitate visas and smooth entry. If they cannot
> guarantee equal access then they should not be
> considered.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Onica Makwakwa
> <nmakwakwa at aol.com <mailto:nmakwakwa at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I second that suggestion from Dorothy as I
> suspect this will be a greater challenge for
> Barcelona (based on past experience dealing
> with their embassies in this region). Beyond
> just escalating this, we need to have a
> conversation on how ease of visa issuance
> should be a big part when considering meeting
> locations.
>
> Onica
>
> Onica N. Makwakwa
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dorothy g <dgdorothydg at GMAIL.COM
> <mailto:dgdorothydg at GMAIL.COM>>
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS
> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 25, 2018 6:50 pm
> Subject: Re: Elsa Saade as temp alternate to
> Arsene on GNSO Council
>
> Is it possible for us to document all those
> who could not attend due to visa issues and
> escalate this concern? We need Africans to be
> at the table.
>
> best
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Adeel Sadiq
> <11beeasadiq at seecs.edu.pk
> <mailto:11beeasadiq at seecs.edu.pk>> wrote:
>
> One part of the bigger picture is, most of
> the ICANN staff are from developed
> countries who don't face strict visa
> issues like people from developing
> countries do. I have been denied visa to
> attend a similar conferences (not ICANN
> though) more than once. I even tried to
> raise the same issue in Public Forum at
> Copenhagen, but was politically turned
> down with almost a null response by the
> so-called 'meeting team'. You never
> realize the true measure of a problem
> unless it is at your personal doorstep.
>
> Regards
>
> Adeel
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:12 PM, dorothy g
> <dgdorothydg at gmail.com
> <mailto:dgdorothydg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This is an extremely important point
> Arsene. There is no justification for
> choosing such a location without
> making special arrangements.
> Glad at least you can listen in.
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:29 PM,
> Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com
> <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Elsa, everyone!
>
> It is unfortunate that the gov of
> Panama could not grant visa on
> arrival while they are aware that
> their visa process is very
> complicated.
>
> Think: they only have two
> consulates in the whole African
> continent!!!
>
> I hope ICANN Org will be able to
> negociate things like these
> beforehand when they select host
> countries.
>
> Thanks Elsa for willing to help
> and thanks Farzaneh and the EC for
> working out this very quickly!
>
> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Elsa
> S <elsa.saade at GMAIL.COM
> <mailto:elsa.saade at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>
> It really saddens me that some
> of us haven't been able to
> make it because of Visa
> issues. But happy to help and
> make myself available anytime!
>
> Best,
>
> Elsa
> --
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:31
> AM, dorothy g
> <dgdorothydg at gmail.com
> <mailto:dgdorothydg at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> So I guess this is a last
> minute thing given the
> visa issue. Thank you Elsa
> for stepping in. When will
> this discrimination
> against Africans stop!
> Arsene glad you can listen
> in and hopefully next time
> you will not encounter
> this problem.
>
> best
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at
> 1:25 PM, farzaneh badii
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> She still takes on
> some of my tasks. She
> was not going to
> replace me. But
> because we found out
> last minute that
> Arsene cannot make it,
> thought it's better to
> have an alternate for
> Arsene because this is
> an important meeting.
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018
> at 8:23 AM Farell
> FOLLY
> <farell at benin2point0.org
> <mailto:farell at benin2point0.org>>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Mrs Chair,
>
> Thanks for the
> info, but I
> thought Elsa was
> going to replace
> you instead? What
> happened?
>
> @__f_f__
>
> Best Regards
> ____________________________________
>
> Ekue (Farell) FOLLY
> Technology
> Champion & Chapter
> Head
> Africa 2.0 Foundation.
> www.africa2point0.org
> <http://www.africa2point0.org>
> linkedin.com/in/farellf
> <http://linkedin.com/in/farellf>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Jun
> 2018, at
> 07:49,
> farzaneh badii
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Unfortunately,
> Arsene cannot
> make it to
> Panama. Arsene
> will be
> participating
> remotely in
> the Council
> meetings but
> we decided
> that for an
> in-person
> presence, Elsa
> Saade can be
> his temp
> alternate.
>
> This was a
> last minute
> decision which
> we had to take
> because we
> were still
> hopeful that
> Arsene could
> make it.
>
> Will see you
> and Arsene
> remotely in
> virtual
> meeting rooms.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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