Elsa Saade as temp alternate to Arsene on GNSO Council

Mon Jun 25 15:17:38 EEST 2018

Hmm! Sounds like something he should be actively working on. Can he tell us
what he is doing about this?

best

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:13 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dorothy, I just sounded this off Adam Peake,  Global Stakeholder
> Engagement Senior Manager, Civil Society and his argument is that we
> should continue to show this up with as often as we can and moreso, bearing
> in mind the visa conditions of the countries hosting meeting varies.
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> this and will not relent.
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> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well,  Remmy you are a journalist  so lets publish a story about how
>> Africans are kept out of these meeting. We can go through the list of hosts
>> and the nature of restrictions and then talk about measures such as
>> pre-clearance that could ensure that we are represented and we do not waste
>> tickets.
>> So ICANN must  a) stop denying that there are different criteria for
>> African visas
>>      b) negotiate with hosts to ensure clearance for key community
>> members. Even if they have no Embassy other arrangements can be made.
>> We have been too tolerant of these subtle or less overt but seriously
>> damaging forms of discrimination.
>>
>> best
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:32 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> yes, it may have not been attended to in the past, but I agree we put it
>>> in the agenda for instance, NCSG-CEO-Board meetings as part of issues on
>>> the table. It is also VIP to reach out to the meeting organising team of
>>> ICANN as a feedback and push from every end, including NCSG, GAC, Business
>>> Constituency etc.
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>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:28 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I say escalate I mean beyond conversation.  Every bid should
>>>> explain by region how they will facilitate visas and smooth entry.  If they
>>>> cannot guarantee equal access then they should not be considered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Onica Makwakwa <nmakwakwa at aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> I second that suggestion from Dorothy as I suspect this will be a
>>>>> greater challenge for Barcelona (based on past experience dealing with
>>>>> their embassies in this region). Beyond just escalating this, we need to
>>>>> have a conversation on how ease of visa issuance should be a big part when
>>>>> considering meeting locations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Onica
>>>>>
>>>>> Onica N. Makwakwa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dorothy g <dgdorothydg at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 25, 2018 6:50 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: Elsa Saade as temp alternate to Arsene on GNSO Council
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible for us to document all those who could not attend due
>>>>> to visa issues and escalate this concern? We need Africans to be at the
>>>>> table.
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Adeel Sadiq <11beeasadiq at seecs.edu.pk
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One part of the bigger picture is, most of the ICANN staff are from
>>>>> developed countries who don't face strict visa issues like people from
>>>>> developing countries do. I have been denied visa to attend a similar
>>>>> conferences (not ICANN though) more than once. I even tried to raise the
>>>>> same issue in Public Forum at Copenhagen, but was politically turned down
>>>>> with almost a null response by the so-called 'meeting team'. You never
>>>>> realize the true measure of a problem unless it is at your personal
>>>>> doorstep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Adeel
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:12 PM, dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an extremely important point Arsene. There is no justification
>>>>> for choosing such a location without making special arrangements.
>>>>> Glad at least you can listen in.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Arsène Tungali <
>>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Elsa, everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is unfortunate that the gov of Panama could not grant visa on
>>>>> arrival while they are aware that their visa process is very complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think: they only have two consulates in the whole African continent!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope ICANN Org will be able to negociate things like these
>>>>> beforehand when they select host countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Elsa for willing to help and thanks Farzaneh and the EC for
>>>>> working out this very quickly!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>> +243 993810967
>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 25, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Elsa S <elsa.saade at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It really saddens me that some of us haven't been able to make it
>>>>> because of Visa issues. But happy to help and make myself available anytime!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elsa
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:31 AM, dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So I guess this is a last minute thing given the visa issue. Thank you
>>>>> Elsa for stepping in.  When will this discrimination against Africans stop!
>>>>> Arsene glad you can listen in and hopefully next time you will not
>>>>> encounter this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:25 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> She still takes on some of my tasks. She was not going to replace me.
>>>>> But because we found out last minute that Arsene cannot make it, thought
>>>>> it's better to have an alternate for Arsene because this is an important
>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:23 AM Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mrs Chair,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info, but I thought Elsa was going to replace you
>>>>> instead? What happened?
>>>>>
>>>>> @__f_f__
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Ekue (Farell) FOLLY
>>>>> Technology Champion & Chapter Head
>>>>> Africa 2.0 Foundation.
>>>>> www.africa2point0.org
>>>>> linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2018, at 07:49, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, Arsene cannot make it to Panama. Arsene will be
>>>>> participating remotely in the Council meetings but we decided that for an
>>>>> in-person presence, Elsa Saade can be his temp alternate.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was a last minute decision which we had to take because we were
>>>>> still hopeful that Arsene could make it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will see you and Arsene remotely in virtual meeting rooms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>> Consultant
>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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