[Info] German Court Rules on ICANN Request to Preserve WHOIS Data

[Giuseppe De Francesco]

 Well, Milton and Monika,

If that is what you get from what I wrote then the problem is yours, not
mine, as nothing of that was meant. Again, it's cultural: when somebody
speaks clearly there are indeed some people that are not equipped to accept
an open exchange of real opinions as they only want to dance the political
play of verbal correctness.

Where that takes you? Not far: it will just produce a shallow
non-conversation where participants are too busy to avoid conflicts to
actually produce real solutions. We see this every day and normally I let
those academics go their way while we, real people, face real life. Here I
dared to chime in because it was, in my opinion, a step too far, but it's
obvious that an EU pragmatist has no place debating with close-minded,
easily offended, drama-loving academics. Too bad that volunteering fields
are too often occupied by these odd and very vocal characters, leaving any
real result at bay so that they can keep their ground free of real outcomes
to the sole end of standing in visible positions, writing their next
perfectly useless book. Academia feeds on academia, that's the sad reality
until it lasts.

Keep playing. I'm sorry for having distressed your little role-play game
here by bringing in it some real-life opinion... I knew that in these
environments the only welcome parties are those that sing along, no reality
allowed. Have a good life and keep talking about nothing as you normally
do, complimenting each other for how good you are at avoiding the subjects.

But please, do read again your messages and do look at how low and
aggressive your language becomes when facing different opinions. Look how
unable you are to hold your ground avoiding insulting the other party. You
guys are the perfect example of why your kind ends up managing alone these
advisory groups, which in turn explains quite well why these groups are so
disconnected from real life.

Best of luck,
Pino



On 4 June 2018 at 06:31, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:

> Pino
>
> > Trying to deny cultural
> > differences is the beginning of the end of any form of evolutive
> > cooperation among people.
>
> What? No one denied that cultural differences exist - indeed, there are
> massive cultural differences within Europe, and between regions of the US.
>
> I am simply telling you that the so-called cultural differences have
> little to do with who lines up on which side of the Whois debate in ICANN.
> Economic interests and institutional positions explain a lot more. We gain
> little understanding of the situation by talking about "cultural
> differences" except that you piss off all the non-Europeans and convey a
> kind of smug superiority which isn't earned.
>
> Theories have to stand the test of empirical reality. Before advancing
> your "cultural difference" theory please explain why all the European GAC
> members called upon ICANN to retain all current Whois data collection, for
> example. Does your theory explain this fact? Are they somehow not part of
> European culture? Did they not get the memo? By the way do you know which
> GAC statements I am referring to? Do you know what the GAC is?
>
> Stereotypes such as "USA approach to political science: avoiding any
> divisive subject trying to force political correctness into everything" =
> just bizarre. Pay attention to what is actually happening here. Listen to
> what people actually say, as individuals. Look beyond crude pre-conceived
> generalizations about culture, people, academic disciplines and national
> origin. You've got a lot to learn about the ICANN environment and as you
> learn more I will be more than happy to engage in "debate and strong
> rhetoric" with you.
>
> --MM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Moritz Bartl
> > Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 9:52 PM
> > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [Info] German Court Rules on ICANN Request to Preserve WHOIS
> > Data
> >
> > On 04.06.2018 01:15, Giuseppe De Francesco wrote:
> Only by dealing with who we are we can
> > > overcome what is divisive to learn cooperation. This is one of the
> > > problems in USA approach to political science: avoiding any divisive
> > > subject trying to force political correctness into everything. This as
> > > well is due to strong cultural differences: Mediterranean
> > > civilizations thrive in debate and love strong rethorics applied to
> > > arguing cases without hiding differences. Avoiding to talk about
> > > differences is not helpful, actually it will cause even wider divides
> > > on the long run because each side will be in denioal until can no
> longer keep
> > it silent.
> > > This is a major problem in how public policies are analysed drafted,
> > > at least this is my opinion.
> >
> > Thanks Pino, I agree wholeheartedly with this and your earlier statement.
> >
> > While I'm at it, I want to congratulate the court on its well-informed
> decision.
> > Sorry, but I don't know if I have to laugh or cry at the ICANN statement
> about
> > not achieving "the clarity that ICANN was seeking".
> > Sorry, but who is the individual who wrote this? Do they think people are
> > stupid?
> >
> > Greetings to everyone from Earth, Europe, Germany, Bavaria, Augsburg,
> >
> > Moritz
>



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