[Info] German Court Rules on ICANN Request to Preserve WHOIS Data

[Zalnieriute, Monika]

I agree with Milton, that 'cultural differences' explanation does not explain a lot not only in the WHOIS context, but I would also add that it misses the point in the international data privacy law more generally. Political economy considerations, institutional analysis and path dependency explains much more. But nonetheless 'cultaralist explanations' are often used to obscure the matters, and are very popular at least in the legal scholarship. As it does not require any deeper analysis: 'just you know, oh, there are cultural differences...'.


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Dr. Monika Zalnieriute



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From: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Mueller, Milton L <milton at GATECH.EDU>
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 5:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [Info] German Court Rules on ICANN Request to Preserve WHOIS Data

Pino

> Trying to deny cultural
> differences is the beginning of the end of any form of evolutive
> cooperation among people.

What? No one denied that cultural differences exist - indeed, there are massive cultural differences within Europe, and between regions of the US.

I am simply telling you that the so-called cultural differences have little to do with who lines up on which side of the Whois debate in ICANN. Economic interests and institutional positions explain a lot more. We gain little understanding of the situation by talking about "cultural differences" except that you piss off all the non-Europeans and convey a kind of smug superiority which isn't earned.

Theories have to stand the test of empirical reality. Before advancing your "cultural difference" theory please explain why all the European GAC members called upon ICANN to retain all current Whois data collection, for example. Does your theory explain this fact? Are they somehow not part of European culture? Did they not get the memo? By the way do you know which GAC statements I am referring to? Do you know what the GAC is?

Stereotypes such as "USA approach to political science: avoiding any divisive subject trying to force political correctness into everything" = just bizarre. Pay attention to what is actually happening here. Listen to what people actually say, as individuals. Look beyond crude pre-conceived generalizations about culture, people, academic disciplines and national origin. You've got a lot to learn about the ICANN environment and as you learn more I will be more than happy to engage in "debate and strong rhetoric" with you.

--MM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Moritz Bartl
> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 9:52 PM
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: [Info] German Court Rules on ICANN Request to Preserve WHOIS
> Data
>
> On 04.06.2018 01:15, Giuseppe De Francesco wrote:
Only by dealing with who we are we can
> > overcome what is divisive to learn cooperation. This is one of the
> > problems in USA approach to political science: avoiding any divisive
> > subject trying to force political correctness into everything. This as
> > well is due to strong cultural differences: Mediterranean
> > civilizations thrive in debate and love strong rethorics applied to
> > arguing cases without hiding differences. Avoiding to talk about
> > differences is not helpful, actually it will cause even wider divides
> > on the long run because each side will be in denioal until can no longer keep
> it silent.
> > This is a major problem in how public policies are analysed drafted,
> > at least this is my opinion.
>
> Thanks Pino, I agree wholeheartedly with this and your earlier statement.
>
> While I'm at it, I want to congratulate the court on its well-informed decision.
> Sorry, but I don't know if I have to laugh or cry at the ICANN statement about
> not achieving "the clarity that ICANN was seeking".
> Sorry, but who is the individual who wrote this? Do they think people are
> stupid?
>
> Greetings to everyone from Earth, Europe, Germany, Bavaria, Augsburg,
>
> Moritz

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