Requirements for information about speakers and participants for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
Cláudio Lucena
claudiokilla at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jun 28 16:38:45 EEST 2017
Thanks Niels,
Item 2 of the inclusiveness clause seems a pretty straightforward - and reasonable - effort to ensure the scope of the diversity that has become so necessary for the meeting.
Cláudio
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> On 28 Jun 2017, at 16:44, Niels ten Oever <lists at DIGITALDISSIDENTS.ORG> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> We've had a lot of conversations about this in the IETF, and we're not
> done yet, but perhaps we can learn from this document (which is still in
> development):
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-07
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
>> On 06/28/2017 10:32 PM, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>> Thanks very much for the additional information Farzaneh, which is very helpful.
>>
>> In my mind, there is always going to be a fundamental tension between
>> trying to cast as wide a footprint as possible, in geographic terms,
>> and ensuring that you don't host meetings in countries with bad human
>> rights records. You want to try and be inclusive to all parts of the
>> world, I'm sure, and there's no such thing as a country that has a
>> fully "clean" human rights record. At the same time, it seems to me to
>> be a bit distasteful to be discussing Internet freedom issues less
>> that 15 miles away from where a prominent academic is sitting in jail
>> for daring to tweet negative things about the government (see
>> www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/03/uae-prominent-academic-jailed-for-10-years-over-tweets-in-outrageous-blow-to-freedom-of-expression/).
>> Also, I wonder how ICANN participants from the LGBTQ community feel
>> about being invited to a meeting where they could be subject to
>> criminal penalty upon entering the country?
>>
>> Lots of food for thought going forward, I think.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:53 PM, farzaneh badii
>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sorry Paul, just to clarify there are already criteria in place for ICANN's
>>> selection of meeting location https://meetings.icann.org/en/host
>>>
>>> But they are limited and don't include some of the criteria that you
>>> mentioned. Some community members are of the opinion that for example ICANN
>>> should not be held in countries with bad human rights protection record.
>>> They have voiced their concern and it might be time to discuss such issues
>>> and perhaps introduce more criteria.
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
>>> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the update. I guess I am a bit surprised when we have run
>>>> 60 meetings that there are no criteria for selection. But I guess that’s a
>>>> reflection of how an organization grows up. Good for the CEO to start down
>>>> this path.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would hope that the NCSG/NCUC community supports the development of such
>>>> criteria and works for the inclusion of within the criteria of measurements
>>>> related to openness, transparency and access within the hosting nation as
>>>> part of how such selections are made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>
>>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>>>
>>>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>>>
>>>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>>
>>>> www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> My PGP Key:
>>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: farzaneh badii [mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:32 PM
>>>> To: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
>>>> Cc: NCSG List <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Requirements for information about speakers and participants
>>>> for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ICANN at the moment does not have such guidelines but ICANN CEO (as I
>>>> reported to NCUC) told me that there will be discussions with the community
>>>> on whether such guidelines and selection criteria of the venue should be
>>>> introduced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
>>>> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Since I am new to this issue perhaps I have an inadequate background. But
>>>> doesn’t (or shouldn’t) ICANN have some neutral guidelines for selecting
>>>> sites for its events. Some might be things like “has enough space and hotel
>>>> rooms” but others might be things like “minimal, uniform standards for
>>>> admission to the country”?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>
>>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>>>
>>>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>>>
>>>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>>
>>>> www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> My PGP Key:
>>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of
>>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:52 AM
>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: Requirements for information about speakers and participants
>>>> for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing that, Carlos, though in the UAE's case it's the tip of
>>>> the iceberg in terms of torture, arrests, and forced disappearances of
>>>> government critics:
>>>> https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/united-arab-emirates/report-united-arab-emirates/.
>>>> There's a raft of legislation on the books targeting legitimate online
>>>> speech, most infamously the Cybercrime Law, which includes heavy penalties
>>>> for deriding or criticizing the government, national symbols, Islam, etc.
>>>> While we're on the subject, it's also worth noting that homosexuality is a
>>>> criminal offence in UAE...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In terms of how this is going to impact us in terms of content controls or
>>>> censorship, as a relative newcomer here, I'd be interested to hear from some
>>>> older hands as to how these challenges have been handled in years past. I
>>>> see the 2008 AGM was in Cairo, for example. I imagine the 2016 event in
>>>> Marrakech may have raised these issues as well, to a certain extent, though
>>>> Morocco has always been a bit more liberal than the Gulf States.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I wouldn't see it as ICANN's role to be an advocate on this
>>>> front, but it's certainly relevant to think about, given how many of us in
>>>> the NCSG are activists by trade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg at isoc-cr.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Julff,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Aresen,
>>>>
>>>> separating the speakers from the participants really seems to be a step
>>>> further than just standard visa requirements. But it is the same country
>>>> that (together with others) has recently requested Quaoar to shut down a
>>>> regional news TV station.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>> ISOC Costa Rica Chapter
>>>> skype carlos.raulg
>>>> +506 8837 7176
>>>> ________
>>>> Apartado 1571-1000
>>>> COSTA RICA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Johan,
>>>>
>>>> While I salute their willingness to easy participation, permits for
>>>> participants, this raises indeed a lot of concerns with regards to
>>>> personal data as well as the fact that we can foresee some kind of
>>>> content censorship that might happen at this ICANN meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I believe this should be raised somehow here at ICANN59 or being
>>>> widely shared so that people are aware and are able to communicate or
>>>> act accordingly.
>>>>
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>>>> 2017-06-28 13:47 UTC+02:00, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> RIPE75 is taking place in Dubai the week before ICANN60. As a RIPE WG
>>>>> co-chair, I have been notified that the Department of Tourism and
>>>>> Commerce Marketing (DCTM) require the following information from all
>>>>> event participants:
>>>>>
>>>>> Full name
>>>>>
>>>>> Country of residence
>>>>> Date of birth
>>>>> Nationality
>>>>> Telephone number (mobile or landline)
>>>>> Email address
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, for all "speakers" ( anyone who is presenting on stage):
>>>>>
>>>>> A colour copy of their passport
>>>>>
>>>>> Profile/bio for the speaker (at least 200 characters)
>>>>> Mobile number
>>>>>
>>>>> The stated reason is "To facilitate greater efficiency for event
>>>>> organisers and government entities that are responsible for granting
>>>>> permits. The data is used to conduct analysis, market research and
>>>>> examine industry trends. The data is not shared with other event
>>>>> organisers or ticket resellers/registration companies", but it seems
>>>>> that the real reason is for security (to avoid anti-government or
>>>>> anti-religious speakers).
>>>>>
>>>>> It is unclear how long they will keep the information supplied or how it
>>>>> will be handled.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am assuming that the same rules apply for ICANN60 too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am probably not the only one that is somewhat concerned...
>>>>>
>>>>> Julf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
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>>>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>>>> Tel: +243 993810967
>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>>>>
>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>>>
>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>>> & Mexico
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>>> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles
>>>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en> & Marrakech
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en>
>>>> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
>>>> - *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
>>>> Freedom.
>>>>
>>>> Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
>>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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>
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