Voting rules & NotA significance

[Mueller, Milton L]

Right. Didn't realize that when 20 people tick NOTA for Rafik, they could not also tick it for Ed, so of the 90 people who didn't vote for Ed, some of them would be unable to tick NOTA again. 

However, take out the 10 duplicates and you still have NOTA as one of the two top vote getters, beating 2 of the three candidates and tying the candidate that EVERYONE voted for. So, duly corrected, the scenario stands as an example of the problem that both Enrique and I identified: NOTAs should be directed at individual candidates that voters didn't select, you shouldn't sum them across different candidates.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neal McBurnett [mailto:neal at bcn.boulder.co.us]
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:33 AM
> To: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> Cc: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Voting rules & NotA significance
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> Milton, your scenario is impossible.
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> There are only 100 ballots, but you've suggested there are 110 NOTA votes.
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> For clarity, you need to specify full ballots, like Enrique or Tapani did.
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> Neal McBurnett                 http://neal.mcburnett.org/
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> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 01:20:45PM +0000, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
> > > Ok, this is eloquently put. :)
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> > Eloquent, or elegant, this system in extreme cases just doesn’t work.
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> > Here is an example.
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> > Steph, Rafik and Ed are running for Council
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> > Hypothetical: there are 100 voters. Of those 100:
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> > 100 tick the box for Stephanie
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> > 80 tick the box for Rafik and the other 20 tick NOTA
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> > 10 tick the box for Ed and the other 90 tick NOTA
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> > In this election, NOTA gets 110 votes and beats everybody. This is,
> > obviously, stupid. 2 of the candidates beat NOTA by a wide margin
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> > The 20 people (purely hypothetical) who voted for NOTA instead of
> > Rafik should only be counted against Rafik
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> > The 90 people (purely hypothetical) who voted for NOTA instead of Ed
> > should only be counted against Ed
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> > We CANNOT sum NOTA votes as applying to all candidates
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> > ---MM
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> > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf
> Of
> > Raoul Plommer
> > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:02 AM
> > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Voting rules & NotA significance
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> > Ok, this is eloquently put. :)
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> > On 25 August 2016 at 14:47, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >         On Aug 25, 2016, at 13:19, avri doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
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> >         There can be at most 3 votes.
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> >         In counting, those with more votes than NOTA are elected.
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> >     voila
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