The debate on NCUC vs NPOC in NC Stakeholder Group (was Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign)

Sat Apr 23 07:23:46 EEST 2016

Hi Olevie,

for clarification, the request for endorsement was made to NCSG and its
executive committee. some people are disagreeing and think that is better
that organizational and individuals can endorse individually.

another clarification to avoid confusion, NCUC has organizational and
individual members.

Best,

Rafik

2016-04-23 21:11 GMT+09:00 Olévié Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>:

> Hi !
>
> +1 @Milton.
> IMHO, in NCUC vision this kind of campaign could be supported only by
> individuals.
>
> We now have similar campaign in an ongoing agenda in Africa be whole such
> as the FastAfrica week (from 1 - 7 May 2016)
> https://webwewant.org/fast-africa/
>
>  And before this :
> African Declaration of Human Rights on Internet
> http://africaninternetrights.org/
>
> etc.
>
> Dearest all,
>
> I wanted to rebound on MM reaction on this thread to erase once again the
> old debate on NCUC vs NPOC in the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group. I
> finally learnd that the debate was before year 2011, when the NPOC came
> into birth in June 2011.
>
> The NPOC will celebrate it's 5 years old in June.
>
> So, I have a question on particuliarly this action/topic for the NCSG
> leasdership : isn't that, this kind of campaign is related to a
> Not-for-Profit concerns specifically mostly than fo a NC Users  ?
>
> As so, IMHO, NPOC as the Not-for-Profit organizations Constituency (like
> AFRICA 2.0) could easily endorse it as a constituency.
>
> Please, It's my humble opinion. But I need to have more clarification
> about this problem since I hace join NCSG and NPOC after it birth.
>
> Please, give me more light on this topic few days before the NPOC
> celebration of it's 5 years old ?
> T
>
> 2016-04-21 23:14 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>:
>
>> Grace
>> As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we have,
>> I was against it at the time. 😉
>> My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and
>> before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns and
>> causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making authority.
>> Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long debates that detract
>> from our ability to do the things we are supposed to do.
>>
>> I see potential for a huge time waste.  It's not like we have too little
>> to do
>>
>> So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal
>> endorsement by NCUC, No.
>>
>> Milton L Mueller
>> Professor, School of Public Policy
>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at HOTMAIL.COM
>> <ggithaiga at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously supported
>> non domain issues that are internet related?
>>
>> Rgds
>> Grace
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
>> From: douglaskarel at GMAIL.COM <douglaskarel at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>> Yes , +1 and Definitely!
>>
>> This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Karel
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>> > On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <crg at isoc-cr.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > @Milton +1
>> >
>> >
>> > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> > +506 8837 7176
>> > Skype: carlos.raulg
>> > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
>> > On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these
>> initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many of its
>> members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All does not seem to
>> be a domain name policy issue and I think we had better stick to our basic
>> mission.
>> >>
>> >> --MM
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf
>> Of
>> >>> James Gannon
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
>> >>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> >>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>> >>>
>> >>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an infrastructure
>> related
>> >>> campaign.
>> >>>
>> >>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that this
>> may be
>> >>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to
>> >>> endorse?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Raúl
>> Gutiérrez G."
>> >>> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU on behalf of crg at ISOC-CR.ORG> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could also
>> be
>> >>>> part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
>> >>>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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