CCWG comments last call

Fri Sep 4 20:50:18 EEST 2015

Thank you, Milton. I agree with Carlos Alfonso.
Geeze……
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DeeDee

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <crg at isoc-cr.org>
wrote:

> Dear Brett
>
> slowly but certainly your are moving away form the CCWG consensus. This is
> not anymore distance only to the NCSG, but to the overall CCWG rough
> consensus that we would include HR.
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> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Schaefer, Brett <Brett.Schaefer at HERITAGE.ORG>
> wrote:
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> No. As I mentioned in my earlier note, I have no confidence that the
> mission would remain narrow if a broad, undefined human rights commitment
> were adopted. There are simply too many human rights that tangentially
> touch on ICANN's mission that would provide opportunities for mission
> creep. I would prefer no mention of human rights at all to a broad
> commitment to the entire universe of human rights.
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> Brett Schaefer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tamir Israel [mailto:tisrael at cippic.ca]
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:49 PM
> To: Schaefer, Brett; NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: CCWG comments last call
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> But this definitely excludes several important and relevant human rights
> that ICANN would need to consider in its mission (privacy, freedom of
> association, others). It also includes 'free flow of information' which is
> not actually a human right.
>
> Would it not make more sense to simply reference established human rights
> as a whole, but add a strong statement for staying on mission so that the
> downstream activities you mention are avoided?
>
> Best,
> Tamir
>
> On 9/4/2015 2:46 PM, Schaefer, Brett wrote:
>
> That is why we would prefer the alternative option -- "to respect the
> fundamental human rights of the exercise of free expression and the free
> flow of information." If that is too narrow, additions could be suggested,
> but they should be clearly defined to avoid confusion and mission creep.
>
>
>
> Brett Schaefer
> Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs
> Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National
> Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation
> 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
> Washington, DC 20002
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tamir Israel [mailto:tisrael at cippic.ca]
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:31 PM
> To: Schaefer, Brett; NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: CCWG comments last call
>
> On the other hand, we would want ICANN to adhere to human rights in its
> own activities/mission. So it must respect privacy when setting its WHOIS
> policies. It must respect free expression when setting its UDRP framework.
> It definitely should adopt domain name registration policies that enhance
> accessibility to domain names. So how do we keep the good obligations while
> avoiding the second order ones?
>
> Best,
> Tamir
>
> On 9/4/2015 2:24 PM, Schaefer, Brett wrote:
>
> We would be OK with a tightly enumerated set of human rights, but support
> of human rights generically would invite mission creep.
>
> “Internationally recognized human rights” or just human rights is a very
> broad realm and this formulation would, even if circumscribed by the caveat
> of within the mission for ICANN, be an open invitation for various ICANN
> constituencies and governments to demand that the organization involve
> itself in any number of human rights activates tangentially related to its
> mission, e.g. financing expanded broadband and connectivity consistent with
> the right to development, fulfilling the “right to the Internet” that is
> being kicked around, or censoring content on the Internet consistent with
> the right to be forgotten or prohibitions on defamation of religion.
>
> Regardless of whether these missions are well-intentioned, they should be
> outside of the ICANN remit. But I do not see any realistic possibility of
> strict adherence to narrow ICANN mission holding firm in the face of the
> political pressure of pursuing these other human rights if the bylaws
> commit ICANN to respect the entire universe of human rights.
>
>
>
>
> Brett Schaefer
> Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory
> Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for
> National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation
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> Washington, DC 20002
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> heritage.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mueller, Milton L [mailto:milton.mueller at pubpolicy.gatech.edu]
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:45 PM
> To: Paul Rosenzweig; NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Cc: Schaefer, Brett
> Subject: RE: CCWG comments last call
>
> Is there any way to word it that would change your dissent, or is the
> objection generic?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rosenzweig
> [mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:39 PM
> To: Mueller, Milton L; NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Cc: 'Schaefer, Brett'
> Subject: RE: CCWG comments last call
>
> Milton/Colleagues
>
> I think that the draft is quite fine and for the main I agree with it.
> Without in any way seeking to relitigate the issue, however, I know
> that the human rights language is one from which Heritage would
> dissent.  Is there some way of generically  making clear that the
> NCSG comments do not reflect the agreement of all NCSG members?
>
> Paul
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mueller, Milton L [mailto:milton.mueller at PUBPOLICY.GATECH.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 12:43 PM
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: CCWG comments last call
>
> I have made some revisions. We seem to have rough consensus that we
> are opposed to the proposed voting allocations and consider them and
> two other things serious enough to raise doubts about whether the
> CCWG- Accountability proposal enhances ICANN's accountability. The
> comments now note that we are not unanimous on this but do have a
> preponderance of opinion that would constitute rough consensus. We
> all seem to be in agreement about our discussion of the so-called
> "freedom to contract" section and the section on advice from public
> authorities. We also now seem to have a way forward on how to handle
> the HR commitment, though that has only been floated a few minutes
> ago so it needs more review.
>
> In reviewing these comments, please refrain from the temptation to
> introduce minor wordsmithing - we really don't have time for it at
> this point.
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> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JGBXO5oOiN_FxivPFkHjz3Gc2w3AT2
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> Dr. Milton L Mueller
> Professor, School of Public Policy
> Georgia Institute of Technology
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