<div dir="ltr">Dear Michaela & Rafik,<div>I would also like to be added to the DNS Abuse mailing list. Is that still possible?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Benjamin </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 2:01 PM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Thanks Michaela. Yes that is my plan to share a short list and we can add people later. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 26, 2025, 19:27 Michaela Nakayama Shapiro <<a href="mailto:michaela.shapiro@article19.org" target="_blank">michaela.shapiro@article19.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Very happy for me, Bruna and Farzaneh to be on the list! And should others express interest later on, we can always ask about adding?</div>
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<div dir="auto"> I would like to be added to the list as well. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> schrieb am Mo. 24. Nov. 2025 um 01:23:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="gmail_quote">Who should be added the mailing list? It should be really for active people on the topic.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 18, 2025, 18:22 Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 17 nov. 2025 à 21:26, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="gmail_quote">No I am not a part of it. I am not sure how much they will use a dns abuse mailing list for a good convo but we can try. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 6:07 AM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="gmail_quote">Thanks Michaela. I think it is straightforward answer to CPH.<br>
I have no idea about the RySG DNS Abuse list, maybe Farzaneh knows.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 01:13 Michaela Nakayama Shapiro <<a href="mailto:michaela.shapiro@article19.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">michaela.shapiro@article19.org</a>>
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Hi Rafik,</div>
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I think a dedicated mailing list to exchange ideas and discuss would be hugely helpful. You have my full support to kickstart it ASAP.</div>
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I also was not aware of the RySG DNS abuse list, and would love to be added if possible.
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@farzaneh badii</a> and I both worked with Dennis to organize sessions on DNS abuse and human rights, and he's been a great ally on this work.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="gmail_quote">Hi all,</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="gmail_quote">Beth followed up on the discussion we had at the joint session and asking here about setting dedicated mailing list and meeting. Let me know what you think. I do believe we can proceed with this and Kickstart asap.</div>
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badii</a></u></span> you worked with Dennis, are you in that RySG DNS abuse list?</div>
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I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects
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