<div dir="auto"><div>Hi all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for the comments. I think it is important to clarify the purpose: it is not about Afrinic or having position on how things going there, it is about ICANN and any possible involvement contrary to its role. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We are asking ICANN Board and CEO to respond to some questions and clarify. I don't see the harm or concern in doing so, I am surprised about the reaction. I don't think it is matter of more extensive "research" and interpretation , response from board is more efficient and effective in this case. Otherwise in future we might reconsider any letter we want to send to board?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Members who are concerned can still speak in the NCSG list if they feel OK or reach me directly.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Btw FWIW, Africa is still my region of origin, I am not involved all the time on related matters but I do care enough. So when I suggested drafting the letter I didn't take that lightly and I consider having legitimacy.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik<br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 15, 2025, 02:49 farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hi Kathy,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">You are an observer on this list. We appreciate your work so we thought it would be great to benefit from your viewpoints on policy matters but sending the email here to influence an NCSG decision on a PC member and observer only mailing list is very unfortunate. That letter was drafted with utmost care, after talking to a number of our members from Africa. There is support on the mailing list to send the letter and there is one objection from Emmanuel. Anriette also did not oppose sending the letter, she contributed to it and we reframed a few things based on her comment. As to the AFRINIC Board, Rafik considered this the moment he suggested sending the letter, we came up with a plan to inform Adewale and assure him that this letter is not about AFRINIC but about involvement of ICANN and ICP2 and also see what he thinks. Rafik has already sent that letter to Adewale. This letter has to be sent soon because our concern with ICANN should be recorded as they are discussing the CAIGA blueprint during TAS. Our letter does not cast any doubt on AFRINIC's board. If this was an AFRINIC matter we would not have even gotten involved. We are concerned about ICANN's role and we have questions. You know that the multistakeholder bottom-up process is under attack everyday. It is our job to defend it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I am going to reach out to other members based in or from Africa during the weekend just to reaffirm that we have the support of our members from Africa as some might not have the luxury of speaking up on the mailing list as we do. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">As to your last question. I don't think it is a fair question, it is not based on substantive matters but it's personal. All I have to say is that I have known her for 15 years. I never worked with her directly but I learned Internet governance from her by observing her. She is a true defender of a global interoperable Internet and multistakeholder model and it doesn't matter who her employer is, and she can't be misled easily. She fights for what is right. When we reached out to ask if we could mention her work she said we could but only if we had the support of our African members and discussed with Adewale and not interfered with AFRINIC Board matters. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">(Kathy, I can say the above about you too. I learned a lot from you. Let's talk about substance.) </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Best regards, </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 9:09 AM Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>All, I'm sorry, but I do not support the sending of this letter
right now.</p>
<p>We have members - wonderful members - who were deeply involved in
the work of saving AfriNIC. They really stood on the front lines
working, writing, drafting amicus briefs for the court and truly
working hard to keep the Supreme Court of Mauritius from
dissolving AfriNIC. </p>
<p><i>One of our members is now on the Board of AfriNIC, and
further, he was elected Chair of AfriNIC. Before we do anything
to hurt things -- why don't we do some more research? Why don't
we talk to our members (who may be taking a much needed rest as
they are very quiet)?</i></p>
<p>Questions and letters can hurt -- we've been warned by Anriette
and I confirm. <i>Also, could someone please tell me who Alice is
working for these days? </i>It would be fair and useful to
know. </p>
<p><i><b>Why the rush? Let's wait until next week -- and take the
time to talk with our own members and leaders. Let's not
inadvertently hurt something new and growing -- let's wait for
our members who are directly involved to work with us. </b></i></p>
<p>Best, Kathy</p>
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<div>thanks for the comments and input to letter, here the new
version after resolving the changes <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPgRLILaCtsda8YRA4mUtElLXYS6udjF8cHvTo2AXHI/edit?tab=t.0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPgRLILaCtsda8YRA4mUtElLXYS6udjF8cHvTo2AXHI/edit?tab=t.0</a> .</div>
<div>If there is no strong objection or concern, we can send
this letter asap to the board for consideration, hopefully
by the end of the day.</div>
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Absolutely correct. The focus should be on CAIGA
proposal, which deviates from multistakeholder
principles, the new Afrinic board has very little to
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