<div dir="auto"><div><div><br></div><div>Hi all,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The deadline for submitting input passed few days ago but I am wondering if we should send something anyway based on what Tapani shared. <span class="gmail_chip gmail_plusreply" dir="auto"><a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" style="color:#15c;text-decoration:underline">@Tapani Tarvainen</a></span><span> the WG is able to accommodate a late submission if any?</span></div><div dir="auto"><span><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span>Best,</span></div><div dir="auto"><span><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span>Rafik </span></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2025, 23:52 Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
Following up here, as I posted on the discuss list the LD PDP WG met<br>
again today and discussed another to me arbitrary-looking limitation<br>
of the charter, namely whether the PDP scope includes cases where<br>
someone applies for diacritic versions of a string only and not the<br>
base ASCII version.<br>
<br>
It was pretty much agreed that there's no technical or other apparent<br>
reason to exclude them except that the language of the charter<br>
explicitly talks about base ASCII version being present. It was<br>
suggested this may have been an oversight on the part of the council,<br>
someone said that it had not even occurred to them that there might be<br>
several different diacritic versions of the same character but since<br>
it's been agreed that the WG will consider such, it makes no sense to<br>
exclude applications for diacritic versions only.<br>
<br>
It was suggested but not decided that the WG might go back to<br>
the council to ask for clarification or extension of the charter<br>
to include such cases that could naturally be dealt with at<br>
the same time.<br>
<br>
When the council considers the project plan of the WG (tomorrow<br>
unless I'm mistaken) some of our councillors might want to alert<br>
the council about the issue.<br>
<br>
In any case I'm planning to write up all such cases that the PDP<br>
charter excludes for no good reason other than that they did not occur<br>
to the council at the time the PDP was created. I will then suggest we<br>
put them in our response to the early input request.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Tapani<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 07, 2025 at 04:32:39PM +0300, Tapani Tarvainen (<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>) wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Thank you Rafik.<br>
> <br>
> I took the liberty of adding myself back to the PC list (it's been<br>
> customary for former Chairs to be there, but I removed myself from<br>
> there some years ago).<br>
> <br>
> Anyway, following up today's PC call, the Latin Diacritics WG<br>
> project plan is here:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2025/presentation/project-plan-latin-script-diacritics-26mar25-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2025/presentation/project-plan-latin-script-diacritics-26mar25-en.pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> Timeline can be found there even if not in the most readable form.<br>
> <br>
> I'll add a quote from the slides presented in WG meeting:<br>
> <br>
> "When the Next Round similarity process finds ASCII/diacritic gTLDs to<br>
> be similar, this WG will provide rules for diacritics."<br>
> <br>
> So the intent is to affect the Next Round.<br>
> <br>
> (Slide 9 in WG meeting two, the whole slide deck can be found under<br>
> backround documents here: <br>
> <a href="https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/gnsolsdpdp/pages/176029697/2025-04-02+Latin+Script+Diacritics+-+Meeting+02" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/gnsolsdpdp/pages/176029697/2025-04-02+Latin+Script+Diacritics+-+Meeting+02</a>)<br>
> <br>
> And as I said I find it odd that the rules will be defined for, e.g.,<br>
> German/Swedish/Finnish/Estonian/Icelandic ö (o with two dots) but not<br>
> for Norwegian/Danish/Faroese ø (o with stroke).<br>
> <br>
> I can imagine a Dane called Sjøberg being annoyed if a Swede gets<br>
> .sjöberg and an Icelander gets .sjóberg while .sjøberg is being<br>
> denied because of a technicality.<br>
> <br>
> There are other similar cases. I would have preferred including all<br>
> confusingly similar-looking non-ASCII additions to the Latin script<br>
> rather than using the technical Unicode definition that users should<br>
> really not be expected to care of know about.<br>
> <br>
> Tapani<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2025 at 10:02:01AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > hi all,<br>
> > <br>
> > a reminder about this request for input. added Tapani in cc as he is an<br>
> > active participant of this WG.<br>
> > <br>
> > Best,<br>
> > <br>
> > Rafik<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Le ven. 21 mars 2025 à 09:48, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> a<br>
> > écrit :<br>
> > <br>
> > > hi all,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > we got this request for input as part of the newly established WG on latin<br>
> > > scripts diacritics.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Best,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Rafik<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Dear SG/C Leaders,<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > We are writing to you on behalf of the GNSO Latin Script Diacritics (LD)<br>
> > > Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group (WG). This WG is tasked with<br>
> > > providing the GNSO Council policy recommendations on: The limited<br>
> > > circumstances in which a base ASCII gTLD and the Latin script diacritic<br>
> > > version of the gTLD can be simultaneously delegated. The WG held its first<br>
> > > meeting<br>
> > > <<a href="https://icann82.sched.com/event/1vpYP/gnso-latin-script-diacritics-pdp-working-group" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://icann82.sched.com/event/1vpYP/gnso-latin-script-diacritics-pdp-working-group</a>><br>
> > > on 08 March, 2025.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > In accordance with GNSO’s PDP requirements, we are seeking early written<br>
> > > input on the topic from each Supporting Organization, Advisory Committee,<br>
> > > and GNSO’s Stakeholder Group / Constituency. Each group has been invited to<br>
> > > participate in the PDP. Kindly note that the written input is completely<br>
> > > voluntary.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > In order to ensure that the WG receives your input in a timely manner and<br>
> > > that your input is incorporated into a summary document for the WG’s<br>
> > > consideration, we are requesting a response *no later than 24 April 2025*<br>
> > > *.* Input received after this date may be introduced into the discussion<br>
> > > separately by your representatives, by ICANN support staff, or by me as the<br>
> > > relevant topic is discussed.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > The WG’s scope of work is defined through a series of questions presented<br>
> > > in the WG’s Charter. The list of questions and key issues to consider<br>
> > > soliciting community input are attached for your convenience. To the extent<br>
> > > possible, you are requested to write your responses to the individual<br>
> > > questions in the attached document and return via email to the GNSO<br>
> > > Secretariat *<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>*. It is not<br>
> > > necessary to answer every question, and you are also welcome to provide any<br>
> > > other input and/or background information that you deem helpful to the<br>
> > > deliberations.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > As with all GNSO PDPs, there will be additional opportunities for<br>
> > > community input as the work progresses.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thank you very much and we look forward to receiving your input.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On behalf of the LD PDP WG,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Michael Bauland (LD PDP WG Chair)<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Tapani Tarvainen<br>
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