<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-plusReplyChip-0">++ Judith</a><br clear="all"><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 00:02, Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few
more edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on
three year terms for the standing committee. Seems too long,
there are plenty of candidates for the standing committee, we dont
need folks who have already served on NomCom for four years
hanging around another 3? I think 2 is lots....</p>
<p>cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith
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<p>HI Tomslin,</p>
<p>I have resolved all the comments and also added in some
phrasing to answer the questions raised by the persons who
commented on the document and it is now ready to go. Let me
know what else you want or need to do before this gets ratified
by the NCSG councillors</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div>On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin
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<div dir="auto">The process is this: once the penholdet (you)
has addressed all comments with the contributors, the PC
normally takes a final look at it before the NCSG PC chair
(me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Seeing that we don't have time for another
whole of PC review on this one, I will rely on the
collaboration effort between yourself and the other NCSG
members who are contributing to the comment (most of which
are PC members) as endorsement. <br>
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Judith Hellerstein, <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>>
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<p>HI Tomslin,</p>
<p>I accepted some of the changes but could not accept
Rafik's as he is not understanding how the NomCom
Operates and what they are recommending. I have added
in replies to his comments to explain them and hope this
helps</p>
<p>Here again is the link. <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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<p>Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve
all the comments and submit it. Do let me know what is
the process. I believe we will have a one-day extension
since tomorrow is a holiday in the US and ICANN usually
does not have comments due on the holiday as US staff
are off. <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>>
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<p>HI Juan,</p>
<p>I would have loved to include something about
it and in fact wrote something up, but was told
since this item was pulled from the Public
Comment we could not address it here. We have
to address this issue in both NPOC's and the
NCSG's comments to Sally directly<br>
</p>
<p>That was why I pulled it from the draft
statement. In a public comment, we can only
comment on what is written and not an item that
has been withdrawn. Please correct me if I was
wrong</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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this review. I believe that in the
same comment, we should also
address the situation of NPOC, as
this comment is regarding NomCom
rebalance. <br>
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<div> El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023,
03:47:22 p. m. GMT-5, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><mesumbeslin@gmail.com></a>
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<div>Below is a draft to the Public
Comments on NomCom Review that
closes on May 29 (Monday next week)
drafted by Judith Hellerstein and
Peter Akinremi. Please provide your
urgent comments to the draft by
midnight UTC on Thursday 25th May.<br>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08<br>
Subject: Re: Public Comments on
NomCom Review closes on May 29<br>
To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
<<a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Johan Helsingius <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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Raoul Plommer <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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<p>Hi Caleb,</p>
<p>Here is the draft comment
that I propose to send out for
to the various Policy teams
within the NCSG for comment.
I do not know who is on the PC
FO to send it to so please can
you send this to them for me.
Also not sure of your
particular style or not.<br>
</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p>Peter and I have editing
writes, but everyone has
commenting rights. What we
might want to do if we run out
of time before the deadline is
to post a draft first and then
replace it with the approved
and ratified one later</p>
<p>I am interested in seeing
your opinion on this <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div>On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb
Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Judith,
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<div>Thank you for coming up
with this.</div>
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<div>Since we have a short
timeline, can we put the
draft in a google doc and
ask that you share it with
the PC FO input and
feedback.</div>
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<div>One thing we can
request through the PC is
ask them to write ICANN
for a little extension as
it takes the entire PC a
while to provide feedback
and ratify public comments
that represents the
NCSG's views.</div>
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<div>Happy to see <span><a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">@Akinremi
Peter Taiwo</a></span><span> joining
you to take a lead on
this.</span></div>
<div><span>I'm sure he can
provide you with some
NCSG perspective to
support the arguments
that will be put
forward. </span></div>
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<div><span>Caleb </span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, May
22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith
Hellerstein <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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<p>HI All,</p>
<p>Good talk on today's
NCSG Call. Caleb,
thanks for clarifying
that Stephanie and you
are only collaborating
on the NomCom
Rebalancing letter
that Interim CEO Sally
Costerton sent to all
constituencies. I
suggested that we
draft a statement in
response to the public
comment on the NomCom
Review, and will be
happy to be the Pen
Holder. Basically,
there are 4 questions
they are asking us to
comment upon. Public
Comments are due May
29, 2023. I have also
cc'd my fellow NomCom
rep, Peter Taiwo as he
also suggested he was
interested in helping
draft. <br>
</p>
<p>1) Our Input on the
Fundamental Bylaws
amendment proposed for
Article 7 of the ICANN
Bylaws and the related
proposed statement
defining
“Unaffiliated”
Directors?</p>
<p>2) Our Input on the
proposed Standard
Bylaws amendments
proposed to Article 8
of the ICANN Bylaws as
well as the Transition
Clause<br>
</p>
<p> Change NomCom
delegates’ terms to
serve two-year terms,
instead of one year.<br>
Transform all
NomCom delegates into
voting delegates to be
able to vote, except
for leadership.<br>
Create a NomCom
Standing Committee to
provide continuity
across annual NomCom
cycles and to build
the institutional
memory of the NomCom.<br>
</p>
<p> 3) Our Input on the
NomCom Standing
Committee Charter? <br>
</p>
<p>4) Our input on the
required changes to
their RSSAC bylaws to
allow them to accept a
voting slot instead of
the current non-voting
slot</p>
<p>Here is a PowerPoint
slide describing these
changes. Only
contentious issue is
the definition of
unaffiliated Directors
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith Hellerstein <br>
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<div>On 5/22/23 7:33 AM,
Johan Helsingius
wrote:<br>
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think the GNSO
decision not to go
there was longer than
6 months ago. <br>
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Julf <br>
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On 21/05/2023 16:55,
Judith Hellerstein
wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Julf,
<br>
Apparently it is too
late for this, which
is really sad. I was
told the time to
have done this
negotiation was
several months ago
before the GNSO
rejected these
ideas. Sorry but I
had not been
focusing on these
issues 6 months
ago. The suggestion
that was in the
original public
comment was what the
review committee had
suggested so that
the GNSO could
decide for itself
but apparently
according to CLO,
groups within the
GNSO heavily
resisted this change
and that was why the
board/ review
committee took back
part of the review.
. ALAC was for it
and wanted to see
this rebalancing but
the review committee
and Board got too
much flack from
people within the
GNSO so they had to
pull even this
simple adjustment. <br>
<br>
Our best shot is the
letter to sally
however, even with
the letter it is
unlikely to happen
again until 5 years.
Maybe the NCSG can
take back the slot
from the NCUC as the
only reason it was
not given to the
NCSG was because
NPOC and the NCSG
had not existed when
these slots were
first created. <br>
<br>
I have not heard
from Stephanie about
the comments on the
NomCom Review. Has
one been created.
If not, I can pass
you forward the one
myself and Yrjo are
writing for ALAC.
The only contested
issue not decided is
the definition of
unaffiliated and
what that means and
entail. Otherwise,
What I have written
have been accepted
by the ALAC. <br>
<br>
Best, <br>
Judith <br>
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