<div dir="auto">Hi and thanks again, Judith.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all comments with the contributors, the PC normally takes a final look at it before the NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this one, I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the other NCSG members who are contributing to the comment (most of which are PC members) as endorsement. <br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein, <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>HI Tomslin,</p>
<p>I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he
is not understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are
recommending. I have added in replies to his comments to explain
them and hope this helps</p>
<p>Here again is the link. <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
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<p>Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the
comments and submit it. Do let me know what is the process. I
believe we will have a one-day extension since tomorrow is a
holiday in the US and ICANN usually does not have comments due on
the holiday as US staff are off. <br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<p>HI Juan,</p>
<p>I would have loved to include something about it and in
fact wrote something up, but was told since this item was
pulled from the Public Comment we could not address it
here. We have to address this issue in both NPOC's and
the NCSG's comments to Sally directly<br>
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<p>That was why I pulled it from the draft statement. In a
public comment, we can only comment on what is written and
not an item that has been withdrawn. Please correct me if
I was wrong</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<p>I would like to add something on this
review. I believe that in the same comment,
we should also address the situation of
NPOC, as this comment is regarding NomCom
rebalance. <br>
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<div>Below is a draft to the Public Comments on
NomCom Review that closes on May 29 (Monday
next week) drafted by Judith Hellerstein and
Peter Akinremi. Please provide your urgent
comments to the draft by midnight UTC on
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From: <b>Judith Hellerstein</b> <span><<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08<br>
Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom
Review closes on May 29<br>
To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Johan Helsingius <<a rel="nofollow
noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>,
Raoul Plommer <<a rel="nofollow
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Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a rel="nofollow
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<p>Hi Caleb,</p>
<p>Here is the draft comment that I
propose to send out for to the various
Policy teams within the NCSG for
comment. I do not know who is on the PC
FO to send it to so please can you send
this to them for me. Also not sure of
your particular style or not.<br>
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<p><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p>Peter and I have editing writes, but
everyone has commenting rights. What we
might want to do if we run out of time
before the deadline is to post a draft
first and then replace it with the
approved and ratified one later</p>
<p>I am interested in seeing your opinion
on this <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div>On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa
Ogundele wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Judith,
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<div>Thank you for coming up with
this.</div>
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<div>Since we have a short timeline,
can we put the draft in a google doc
and ask that you share it with the
PC FO input and feedback.</div>
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<div>One thing we can request through
the PC is ask them to write ICANN
for a little extension as it takes
the entire PC a while to provide
feedback and ratify public comments
that represents the NCSG's views.</div>
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<div>Happy to see <span><a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">@Akinremi
Peter Taiwo</a></span><span> joining
you to take a lead on this.</span></div>
<div><span>I'm sure he can provide you
with some NCSG perspective to
support the arguments that will be
put forward. </span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 22, 2023,
2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>>
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<p>HI All,</p>
<p>Good talk on today's NCSG Call.
Caleb, thanks for clarifying
that Stephanie and you are only
collaborating on the NomCom
Rebalancing letter that Interim
CEO Sally Costerton sent to all
constituencies. I suggested
that we draft a statement in
response to the public comment
on the NomCom Review, and will
be happy to be the Pen Holder.
Basically, there are 4 questions
they are asking us to comment
upon. Public Comments are due
May 29, 2023. I have also cc'd
my fellow NomCom rep, Peter
Taiwo as he also suggested he
was interested in helping draft.
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<p>1) Our Input on the Fundamental
Bylaws amendment proposed for
Article 7 of the ICANN Bylaws
and the related proposed
statement defining
“Unaffiliated” Directors?</p>
<p>2) Our Input on the proposed
Standard Bylaws amendments
proposed to Article 8 of the
ICANN Bylaws as well as the
Transition Clause<br>
</p>
<p> Change NomCom delegates’
terms to serve two-year terms,
instead of one year.<br>
Transform all NomCom
delegates into voting delegates
to be able to vote, except for
leadership.<br>
Create a NomCom Standing
Committee to provide continuity
across annual NomCom cycles and
to build the institutional
memory of the NomCom.<br>
</p>
<p> 3) Our Input on the NomCom
Standing Committee Charter? <br>
</p>
<p>4) Our input on the required
changes to their RSSAC bylaws to
allow them to accept a voting
slot instead of the current
non-voting slot</p>
<p>Here is a PowerPoint slide
describing these changes. Only
contentious issue is the
definition of unaffiliated
Directors <br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith Hellerstein <br>
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the GNSO decision not to go
there was longer than 6 months
ago. <br>
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Julf <br>
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On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith
Hellerstein wrote: <br>
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Apparently it is too late for
this, which is really sad. I
was told the time to have done
this negotiation was several
months ago before the GNSO
rejected these ideas. Sorry
but I had not been focusing on
these issues 6 months ago.
The suggestion that was in the
original public comment was
what the review committee had
suggested so that the GNSO
could decide for itself but
apparently according to CLO,
groups within the GNSO heavily
resisted this change and that
was why the board/ review
committee took back part of
the review. . ALAC was for it
and wanted to see this
rebalancing but the review
committee and Board got too
much flack from people within
the GNSO so they had to pull
even this simple adjustment. <br>
<br>
Our best shot is the letter to
sally however, even with the
letter it is unlikely to
happen again until 5 years.
Maybe the NCSG can take back
the slot from the NCUC as the
only reason it was not given
to the NCSG was because NPOC
and the NCSG had not existed
when these slots were first
created. <br>
<br>
I have not heard from
Stephanie about the comments
on the NomCom Review. Has
one been created. If not, I
can pass you forward the one
myself and Yrjo are writing
for ALAC. The only contested
issue not decided is the
definition of unaffiliated and
what that means and entail.
Otherwise, What I have written
have been accepted by the
ALAC. <br>
<br>
Best, <br>
Judith <br>
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