<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Judith,</div><div><br></div><div>There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you please reconcile them?<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Warmly,<br></div>Tomslin<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>HI Juan,</p>
<p>I would have loved to include something about it and in fact
wrote something up, but was told since this item was pulled from
the Public Comment we could not address it here. We have to
address this issue in both NPOC's and the NCSG's comments to Sally
directly<br>
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<p>That was why I pulled it from the draft statement. In a public
comment, we can only comment on what is written and not an item
that has been withdrawn. Please correct me if I was wrong</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<p>I would like to add something on this review. I
believe that in the same comment, we should also
address the situation of NPOC, as this comment is
regarding NomCom rebalance. <br>
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<div>Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom
Review that closes on May 29 (Monday next week)
drafted by Judith Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi.
Please provide your urgent comments to the draft by
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From: <b>Judith
Hellerstein</b> <span><<a rel="nofollow
noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08<br>
Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review
closes on May 29<br>
To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a rel="nofollow
noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Johan Helsingius <<a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>,
Raoul Plommer <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>,
Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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<p>Hi Caleb,</p>
<p>Here is the draft comment that I propose to
send out for to the various Policy teams within
the NCSG for comment. I do not know who is on
the PC FO to send it to so please can you send
this to them for me. Also not sure of your
particular style or not.<br>
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<p><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p>Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone
has commenting rights. What we might want to do
if we run out of time before the deadline is to
post a draft first and then replace it with the
approved and ratified one later</p>
<p>I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div>On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
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<div>Thank you for coming up with this.</div>
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<div>Since we have a short timeline, can we
put the draft in a google doc and ask that
you share it with the PC FO input and
feedback.</div>
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<div>One thing we can request through the PC
is ask them to write ICANN for a little
extension as it takes the entire PC a while
to provide feedback and ratify public
comments that represents the NCSG's views.</div>
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<div>Happy to see <span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">@Akinremi Peter
Taiwo</a></span><span> joining you to
take a lead on this.</span></div>
<div><span>I'm sure he can provide you with
some NCSG perspective to support the
arguments that will be put forward. </span></div>
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<div><span>Caleb </span></div>
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Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith
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<p>HI All,</p>
<p>Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb,
thanks for clarifying that Stephanie and
you are only collaborating on the NomCom
Rebalancing letter that Interim CEO
Sally Costerton sent to all
constituencies. I suggested that we
draft a statement in response to the
public comment on the NomCom Review, and
will be happy to be the Pen Holder.
Basically, there are 4 questions they
are asking us to comment upon. Public
Comments are due May 29, 2023. I have
also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter
Taiwo as he also suggested he was
interested in helping draft. <br>
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<p>1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws
amendment proposed for Article 7 of the
ICANN Bylaws and the related proposed
statement defining “Unaffiliated”
Directors?</p>
<p>2) Our Input on the proposed Standard
Bylaws amendments proposed to Article 8
of the ICANN Bylaws as well as the
Transition Clause<br>
</p>
<p> Change NomCom delegates’ terms to
serve two-year terms, instead of one
year.<br>
Transform all NomCom delegates into
voting delegates to be able to vote,
except for leadership.<br>
Create a NomCom Standing Committee
to provide continuity across annual
NomCom cycles and to build the
institutional memory of the NomCom.<br>
</p>
<p> 3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing
Committee Charter? <br>
</p>
<p>4) Our input on the required changes to
their RSSAC bylaws to allow them to
accept a voting slot instead of the
current non-voting slot</p>
<p>Here is a PowerPoint slide describing
these changes. Only contentious issue
is the definition of unaffiliated
Directors <br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith Hellerstein <br>
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<div>On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius
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decision not to go there was longer than
6 months ago. <br>
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Julf <br>
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On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein
wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Julf, <br>
Apparently it is too late for this,
which is really sad. I was told the
time to have done this negotiation was
several months ago before the GNSO
rejected these ideas. Sorry but I had
not been focusing on these issues 6
months ago. The suggestion that was
in the original public comment was
what the review committee had
suggested so that the GNSO could
decide for itself but apparently
according to CLO, groups within the
GNSO heavily resisted this change and
that was why the board/ review
committee took back part of the
review. . ALAC was for it and wanted
to see this rebalancing but the review
committee and Board got too much flack
from people within the GNSO so they
had to pull even this simple
adjustment. <br>
<br>
Our best shot is the letter to sally
however, even with the letter it is
unlikely to happen again until 5
years. Maybe the NCSG can take back
the slot from the NCUC as the only
reason it was not given to the NCSG
was because NPOC and the NCSG had not
existed when these slots were first
created. <br>
<br>
I have not heard from Stephanie about
the comments on the NomCom Review.
Has one been created. If not, I can
pass you forward the one myself and
Yrjo are writing for ALAC. The only
contested issue not decided is the
definition of unaffiliated and what
that means and entail. Otherwise, What
I have written have been accepted by
the ALAC. <br>
<br>
Best, <br>
Judith <br>
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