<div dir="auto"><div>Hi Kathy,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My bad. I misunderstood the request. I am happy with the proposal of an unofficial alternate. <br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Sept 2022, 00:47 Kathy Kleiman, <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>Tx for your support and your response. I should note that my
request below is not for an "official alternate," but an "<i>unofficial
alternate</i><b>" </b>and I'm glad Stephanie supports. ALAC
is already planning to do so, and it is a very wise thing for us
to do as well. I'm afraid I must insist. <br>
</p>
<p>ICANN in these small groups can be all consuming and many people
who participate on these teams are paid fulltime to do so (as I
was when I was Director of Policy for .ORG). Our IPC friend, when
they appoint Paul McGrady, will certainly be paid for his
participation - and he does work for Amazon.</p>
<p>Like ALAC, we are really the only true volunteers in this
process. Accordingly, we cannot drop everything and abandon the
work that we do to put bread on our tables. We also can't go
crazy trying to make meetings that may conflict with requirements
of our jobs and families. Unfair requirements is why NCSG and
NCUC over the years has not participated in many roles of
leadership and involvement across ICANN.</p>
<p>So the only thing that makes sense is reasonable backup- an <i>unofficial</i>
alternate. It may not be part of the official rules, but it is a
"reasonable accommodation" for parents and mothers and "reasonable
accommodation" is a legal term of art in the US - for making sure
that everyone can participate regardless of circumstances.</p>
<p>ALAC will be taking these approach - an informal alternate.
Together (and this is not your job or Manju's), we can make the
sound argument that true volunteers need informal alternates to
cover meetings the main representative simply can't make - and
meetings too important to miss (which is any of them). ICANN
needs its "watchers" in place...</p>
<p>For my peace of mind, as I start a busy book tour (we launched on
Wednesday in NYC at the engineering school of Cooper Union!), we
will need this unofficial alternate. It is the right thing to do
for NCSG and good precedent for days to come. <br>
</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
</p>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Kathy,
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for volunteering. Really appreciate it
because with the short window and skills required, it would
have been very difficult to get a volunteer. So, thank you!</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Regarding your recommendation that we appoint an
official alternate, I am afraid that is not possible as
stipulated on the candidate guidance document I attached to my
previous email. And more we are now also past the negotiation
phase in the Council. The guidance document is now the rule
book for appointing members. What we could do is to pull you
out as member in the event that you can't attend and appoint
George instead.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Please let us know and apologies that Manju and
I were unable to secure an official alternate for NCSG during
the drafting and discussion of the text.<br>
<br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>
Tomslin</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 8 Sept 2022, 00:01
Kathy Kleiman, <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>I would like to recommend that I be appointed with George
Sadowsky as an unofficial alternate. George as you know as
an ICANN Board member for many years. But few know that
before that he was a founding member of NCUC (NCSG would
not be created for about decade after). In 1999, George
was with New York University as IT director and joined us
in founding NCUC and attending early meetings. We were his
initial link to ICANN! <br>
</p>
<p>He has now applied to join NCSG. Some Board members
leave ICANN forever, but those who remain, tend to go back
to the groups they came from. I hope we will approve his
membership. And then I hope we can allow him to work with
me on the Closed Generics issues. He is an expert on this
issue from his time on the Board and knows how difficult
and complicated it is. He helped make sure we heard from
noncommercial organizations around the world before
passing the first ban on Closed Generics. Later, when the
Subsequent Procedures Working Group was looking closely at
this issue, George (at my invitation) joined the Working
Group to again share the complexities and potential
problems of Closed Generics from his perspective (which
include his more recent experience with many United
Nations organizations).</p>
<p>While technically the job is supposed to be for one
person, it is too big for one volunteer (note: some
attorneys will be paid by their clients and law firms to
participate fully in this new group and there is a reason
for that). ALAC plans to appoint a primary person and a
backup person if the primary person cannot attend a
meeting or discussion. Since I will be on book tour with
my new book about the ENIAC Programmers, <b><i>Proving
Ground, </i></b>I think it would be good idea for us
to have a similar arrangement. We don't want to miss a
single Closed Generic meeting! <br>
</p>
<p>Best and tx,</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
</p>
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<div>FYI, PC.</div>
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<div>I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I
just wanted to bring to your attention this statement
in the meantime " <span lang="EN-US"><i><b>This group
would ideally have a <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">first informal
meeting during ICANN 75</span>, so we would
appreciate if you would let us know the name of
your representative ideally <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">by September 19<sup>th</sup></span></span></b></i>.</span>"
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<div>It means we have only 2 weeks to name a
representative for this. I don't think it'll be a
problem since Kathy Kleinman had indicated interest
already and was granted funding to KL based on that
interest but I thought I'd flag the urgency to the
whole committee.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear
SG/C leaders,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hope
this email finds you all well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As you
know, following an invitation from the
Board, the GNSO and the GAC will enter
into a dialogue to “formulate a workable
framework to identify and handle closed
generic applications for the immediate
next round of new gTLDs”, and in this
dialogue we will be joined by ALAC. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
leadership would like to invite each
Stakeholder Group to select a
representative for this dialogue. This
group is would ideally have a first
informal meeting during ICANN 75, so we
would appreciate if you would let us know
the name of your representative ideally by
September 19<sup>th</sup>. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The
attached document provides the guidance
for this appointment. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
would finally like to draw your attention
to the spirit of involvement in this
effort:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none">
<span lang="EN-US">the framework
discussion will focus on options other
than the two endpoint positions (i.e. no
closed generics at all; closed generics
without restrictions) as per the Board’s
Proposed Parameters for Dialogue</span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none">
<span lang="EN-US">the participants will
"contribute as independent individuals,
bringing their individual experiences
and expertise, and not serve as
representatives of their respective
community organization(s). The
participants must commit to focusing on
successfully developing a framework for
closed generics, even if the end product
is inconsistent with the goals or
priorities of the participant or the
participant's SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council
small team report)</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Looking
forward to hearing from you, and wishing
you all safe travels to KL.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Board/GNSO
correspondence:</span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">6 Mar 2022 Letter from
Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
Philippe Fouquart</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> – including the framing
paper</span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">27 April 2022 Letter from
Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman</span></a><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">19 May 2022 Letter from
Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">29 Jun 2022 Letter from
Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman
and Manal Ismail</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">25 Jul 2022 Letter from
Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart
and Manal Ismail</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
small team report: <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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