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<p>Sounds like a great idea to me. Did your group ever get opinions
from government Competition Bureaus and/or departments when you
were working on closed generics?</p>
<p>cheers Stephanie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-09-07 10:01 a.m., Kathy Kleiman
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>I would like to recommend that I be appointed with George
Sadowsky as an unofficial alternate. George as you know as an
ICANN Board member for many years. But few know that before that
he was a founding member of NCUC (NCSG would not be created for
about decade after). In 1999, George was with New York
University as IT director and joined us in founding NCUC and
attending early meetings. We were his initial link to ICANN! <br>
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<p>He has now applied to join NCSG. Some Board members leave
ICANN forever, but those who remain, tend to go back to the
groups they came from. I hope we will approve his membership.
And then I hope we can allow him to work with me on the Closed
Generics issues. He is an expert on this issue from his time on
the Board and knows how difficult and complicated it is. He
helped make sure we heard from noncommercial organizations
around the world before passing the first ban on Closed
Generics. Later, when the Subsequent Procedures Working Group
was looking closely at this issue, George (at my invitation)
joined the Working Group to again share the complexities and
potential problems of Closed Generics from his perspective
(which include his more recent experience with many United
Nations organizations).</p>
<p>While technically the job is supposed to be for one person, it
is too big for one volunteer (note: some attorneys will be paid
by their clients and law firms to participate fully in this new
group and there is a reason for that). ALAC plans to appoint a
primary person and a backup person if the primary person cannot
attend a meeting or discussion. Since I will be on book tour
with my new book about the ENIAC Programmers, <b><i>Proving
Ground, </i></b>I think it would be good idea for us to
have a similar arrangement. We don't want to miss a single
Closed Generic meeting! <br>
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<p>Best and tx,</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/6/2022 8:41 AM, Tomslin
Samme-Nlar wrote:<br>
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<div>I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I just
wanted to bring to your attention this statement in the
meantime " <span lang="EN-US"><i><b>This group would
ideally have a <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">first
informal meeting during ICANN 75</span>, so we would
appreciate if you would let us know the name of your
representative ideally <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">by September 19<sup>th</sup></span></span></b></i>.</span>"
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<div>It means we have only 2 weeks to name a representative
for this. I don't think it'll be a problem since Kathy
Kleinman had indicated interest already and was granted
funding to KL based on that interest but I thought I'd flag
the urgency to the whole committee.<br>
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Subject: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear SG/C
leaders,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hope this
email finds you all well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As you know,
following an invitation from the Board, the GNSO
and the GAC will enter into a dialogue to
“formulate a workable framework to identify and
handle closed generic applications for the
immediate next round of new gTLDs”, and in this
dialogue we will be joined by ALAC. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
leadership would like to invite each Stakeholder
Group to select a representative for this
dialogue. This group is would ideally have a
first informal meeting during ICANN 75, so we
would appreciate if you would let us know the
name of your representative ideally by September
19<sup>th</sup>. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The attached
document provides the guidance for this
appointment. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would
finally like to draw your attention to the
spirit of involvement in this effort:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="m_7193107337117519088MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"> <span lang="EN-US">the framework discussion will
focus on options other than the two endpoint
positions (i.e. no closed generics at all;
closed generics without restrictions) as per
the Board’s Proposed Parameters for Dialogue</span></li>
<li class="m_7193107337117519088MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"> <span lang="EN-US">the participants will "contribute
as independent individuals, bringing their
individual experiences and expertise, and not
serve as representatives of their respective
community organization(s). The participants
must commit to focusing on successfully
developing a framework for closed generics,
even if the end product is inconsistent with
the goals or priorities of the participant or
the participant's SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council small
team report)</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Looking
forward to hearing from you, and wishing you all
safe travels to KL.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Board/GNSO
correspondence:</span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">6 Mar 2022 Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe
Fouquart</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> –
including the framing paper</span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">27 April 2022 Letter from
Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman</span></a><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">19 May 2022 Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Philippe Fouquart</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">29 Jun 2022 Letter from
Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman and
Manal Ismail</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">25 Jul 2022 Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Philippe Fouquart and Manal
Ismail</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
small team report: <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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