<div dir="ltr">Hello all, <div><br></div><div>Jumping in here just to ask whether we know about the final date for the meeting at ICANN75 if theres one. I think Kathy wont be there for the full meeting, right <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech" tabindex="-1">@Kathy Kleiman</a> ? <br><br>best, </div><div>B</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 10:54 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Kathy,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for volunteering. Really appreciate it because with the short window and skills required, it would have been very difficult to get a volunteer. So, thank you!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regarding your recommendation that we appoint an official alternate, I am afraid that is not possible as stipulated on the candidate guidance document I attached to my previous email. And more we are now also past the negotiation phase in the Council. The guidance document is now the rule book for appointing members. What we could do is to pull you out as member in the event that you can't attend and appoint George instead.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please let us know and apologies that Manju and I were unable to secure an official alternate for NCSG during the drafting and discussion of the text.<br><br><div dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 8 Sept 2022, 00:01 Kathy Kleiman, <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>I would like to recommend that I be appointed with George
Sadowsky as an unofficial alternate. George as you know as an
ICANN Board member for many years. But few know that before that
he was a founding member of NCUC (NCSG would not be created for
about decade after). In 1999, George was with New York University
as IT director and joined us in founding NCUC and attending early
meetings. We were his initial link to ICANN! <br>
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<p>He has now applied to join NCSG. Some Board members leave ICANN
forever, but those who remain, tend to go back to the groups they
came from. I hope we will approve his membership. And then I hope
we can allow him to work with me on the Closed Generics issues. He
is an expert on this issue from his time on the Board and knows
how difficult and complicated it is. He helped make sure we heard
from noncommercial organizations around the world before passing
the first ban on Closed Generics. Later, when the Subsequent
Procedures Working Group was looking closely at this issue, George
(at my invitation) joined the Working Group to again share the
complexities and potential problems of Closed Generics from his
perspective (which include his more recent experience with many
United Nations organizations).</p>
<p>While technically the job is supposed to be for one person, it is
too big for one volunteer (note: some attorneys will be paid by
their clients and law firms to participate fully in this new group
and there is a reason for that). ALAC plans to appoint a primary
person and a backup person if the primary person cannot attend a
meeting or discussion. Since I will be on book tour with my new
book about the ENIAC Programmers, <b><i>Proving Ground, </i></b>I
think it would be good idea for us to have a similar arrangement.
We don't want to miss a single Closed Generic meeting! <br>
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<p>Best and tx,</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div>I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I just wanted
to bring to your attention this statement in the meantime "
<span lang="EN-US"><i><b>This group would ideally have a <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">first informal meeting
during ICANN 75</span>, so we would appreciate if you
would let us know the name of your representative
ideally <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">by September 19<sup>th</sup></span></span></b></i>.</span>"
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<div>It means we have only 2 weeks to name a representative for
this. I don't think it'll be a problem since Kathy Kleinman
had indicated interest already and was granted funding to KL
based on that interest but I thought I'd flag the urgency to
the whole committee.<br>
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Date: Fri, 2 Sept 2022 at 22:01<br>
Subject: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed
generics: selection of GNSO participants<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear SG/C
leaders,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hope this
email finds you all well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As you know,
following an invitation from the Board, the GNSO
and the GAC will enter into a dialogue to
“formulate a workable framework to identify and
handle closed generic applications for the
immediate next round of new gTLDs”, and in this
dialogue we will be joined by ALAC. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
leadership would like to invite each Stakeholder
Group to select a representative for this
dialogue. This group is would ideally have a first
informal meeting during ICANN 75, so we would
appreciate if you would let us know the name of
your representative ideally by September 19<sup>th</sup>.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The attached
document provides the guidance for this
appointment.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would
finally like to draw your attention to the spirit
of involvement in this effort:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">the framework discussion will
focus on options other than the two endpoint
positions (i.e. no closed generics at all;
closed generics without restrictions) as per the
Board’s Proposed Parameters for Dialogue</span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">the participants will
"contribute as independent individuals, bringing
their individual experiences and expertise, and
not serve as representatives of their respective
community organization(s). The participants must
commit to focusing on successfully developing a
framework for closed generics, even if the end
product is inconsistent with the goals or
priorities of the participant or the
participant's SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council small team
report)</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Looking
forward to hearing from you, and wishing you all
safe travels to KL.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Board/GNSO
correspondence:</span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">6 Mar 2022 Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe
Fouquart</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> –
including the framing paper</span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">27 April 2022 Letter from
Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman</span></a><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">19 May 2022 Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Philippe Fouquart</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">29 Jun 2022 Letter from Philippe
Fouquart to Maarten Botterman and Manal Ismail</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">25 Jul 2022 Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Philippe Fouquart and Manal
Ismail</span></a><span lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council small
team report:
<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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