<div dir="auto"><div>Thanks for your comments, Kathy. <div dir="auto">I am not an expert in this area but your proposal of using experts from global south, indigenous communities and minority communities on one hand and technical experts on the other sounds like a good idea to me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It'll be good to hear what others here think.<br><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 18 July 2022, 12:33 Kathy Kleiman, <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>Tx Tomslin for sharing! I wish, I wish, we could take the lead
on this, but I know time is stretched all round. Do we have a
good person who could serve on the Small Group? <br>
</p>
<p>What do others think?</p>
<p>I see some merit in Kurt's proposal. I think this should go
farther - much farther - to define "to retain and employ the
outside skills necessary to create the Applicant Support program
framework."</p>
<p>Who? This should be given considerable thought by NCSG and the
GNSO Council. IMHO, we don't want the usual US consulting firms,
but experts from and in Global South communities, indigenous
peoples (in the Global South and Global North), minority
communities, and likely linguists to think through IDN issues for
these communities to. (I'll call them "Applicant Support
Communities"). <br>
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<p>And a separate group of technical gTLD experts. As the Subpro WG
discussed and included in their recommendation and supporting
language, many communities and peoples will need more than just
application fees. They'll need consulting and other support in
planning to apply for and run a gTLD (including IDN gTLDs), then
filling out the detailed ICANN gTLD application (a big process!),
paying submission fees, then preparing for the work of managing
and running a gTLD (also a lot of work!). This is not just my
view, but SubPro WG's discussion. <br>
</p>
<p>Overall, if the Applicant Support program framework, heads in
this direction, it will need "outside skills" with experts who
know the Applicant Support Communities and how to reach and work
with them, and [a different group] technical experts to work with
applicants who know what a gTLD application is (technical,
operational, financial requirements) and what it takes to run one
once they get the gTLD delegation from ICANN. <br>
</p>
<p><i>If you agree with the assessment above</i><i>, how can we
build these details expressly into Kurt's countrproposal (he
says he is receptive to amendments).</i></p>
<p>Best and tx, Kathy</p>
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<div>I'd like to hear what you think of this counter proposal
from Kurt. Specifically, he wants that rather than <b>a
30-member (20 active, 10 alternate) Steering Committee to
complete the Applicant Support program development, the
Council should form a small team that works with ICANN to
retain and employ the outside skills necessary to create the
Applicant Support program framework</b>.</div>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">kurt <a href="http://kjpritz.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kjpritz.com</a>
via council</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 03:11<br>
Subject: Re: [council] Motion for the Initiation of the
GNSO Guidance Process on Applicant Support<br>
To: Fouquart <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council@gnso.icann.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hello
Councilors: <br>
<br>
I am writing to offer an amendment to the Motion to
initiate the GNSO Guidance Process (GGP). It is enough
of a departure from the original that I don’t think it
can / will be considered a friendly amendment. In any
case, I think it’d be beneficial to the outcome if we
debated the two approaches and decided on one. I think
the discussion is as important as the outcome.<br>
<br>
The amendment more directly affects the GGP Initiation
Request that is incorporated into the motion. It seeks
to simplify the process for creating an Applicant
Support Program. (An Initiation Request is a
prerequisite to launching a GGP.) <br>
<br>
<b>Background and Recent Developments:</b> The SubPro
Final Report recommended that a “dedicated IRT” be
created to flesh out the Applicant Support Program. In
response, the ODP Team expressed concern that the
work recommended by SubPro was potentially out of scope
of the role for an IRT and should be returned to the
GNSO. <br>
<br>
The Council recognized that this work could be
accomplished using the GNSO Guidance Process (GGP),
which is flexible, i.e., adaptable to the needs
of various policy-related tasks. <br>
<br>
The current motion calls for the creation of a 30-member
(20 active, 10 alternate) Steering Committee to complete
the Applicant Support program development with the
added implication that this group could be used for
additional policy / implementation issues.<br>
<br>
<b>Recommendation:</b> Rather than a Steering Committee,
the Council should form a small team that works with
ICANN to retain and employ the outside skills necessary
to create the Applicant Support program framework.<br>
<br>
<b>Rationale for this Recommendation:</b><br>
<br>
1. We approved the SubPro Final Report, so we should
do what it says. The Report advised that a
community-based team would not possess the
requisite skills to develop the Applicant
Support program and an issue-specific team with the
necessary outside skillsets should be formed. Creating a
30-member community team is, at best, an unnecessary
step and, more likely, is the antithesis of the SubPro
Report direction and disrespectful of valuable
volunteer time.<br>
<br>
2. Creating a small team does not contradict the
participatory, bottom-up model. The broad community
discussed this topic for five years and provided the
best direction it could, to take the discussion out from
under the community umbrella. In any event, no
GNSO stakeholder group would be precluded from sending a
member to this small team, and whatever Applicant
Support program is recommended, the community will
have the opportunity to discuss it prior to adoption.<br>
<br>
3. Nor is a standing 30-person Steering Committee
likely to be an economical or effective approach if
asked to consider additional issues. This
steering committee likely would be populated by those
interested in the Applicant Support program and not have
the necessary skill sets for, or interest in,
tackling different issues. Community members interested
in subsequent issues would likely be closed out
of participating because the committee would be
populated by those interested in the Applicant Support
program. So, the 30-member committee, already
demonstrated to be inefficient for the purpose of
sorting the Applicant Support issues, would also be
ineffectual on the subsequent issues.<br>
<br>
4. This is likely to be an extended commitment on
the part of our depleted volunteer workforce. Cannot we,
as managers of the policy process, manage
these important areas of policy / implementation
administration, and reserve volunteers’ valuable time
for substantive work? In the meantime, we can launch
this first-ever GGP effort, keep it narrow to make it
efficient, and learn from it. <br>
<br>
I’ve attached an alternative GGP Initiation Request.
Amendments and additional discussion are welcome<br>
<br>
<div>Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Kurt<br>
<br>
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<div>On Jul 13, 2022, at 3:46 AM,
philippe.fouquart--- via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Dear Councilors,</div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
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<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Please find attached the
GNSO Guidance Process associated with the
motion circulated on Monday.</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">This version is intended
to incorporate comments made in The Hague,
notably on focusing on applicant support
and the flexibility bw a steering group
and subteams. A couple of additional
things that leadership would like to draw
your attention to in case you’d have an
opinion:</span></div>
<ul style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">the need for the<span> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">GNSO Liaison to the ODP to
be a (non voting) member</span><span lang="EN-US"><span> </span>(that’s under
5.)</span></li>
<li style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">the explicit
acknowledgement that this group may
deliver their results after the
conclusion of the ODP or even the
Board’s vote. (under 7)</span></li>
</ul>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Thanks.</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<b><span>From:</span></b><span><span> </span>FOUQUART
Philippe INNOV/NET<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, July
11, 2022 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span>'<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>'
<<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Motion
for the Initiation of the GNSO
Guidance Process on Applicant Support</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
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<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Dear Councilors,</div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
</div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Following our discussion
in The Hague, please find attached the
Motion for the Initiation of the GNSO
Guidance Process on Applicant Support
submitted to the July 21<sup>st</sup><span> </span>Council
meeting. It will be updated with the link
to the GGP within a few days.<span> </span></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
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