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                    El viernes, 22 de abril de 2022, 04:21:17 p. m. GMT-5, Stephanie E Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> escribió:
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    <p>I think we should.</p>
    <p>Stephanie<br>
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    <div class="yiv6191931950moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-04-22 5:16 p.m., Tomslin
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        <div>I think the council has now decided not to include the
          letter. So I guess that leaves us to send it to the board
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        <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 02:49,
          Kathy Kleiman <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
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            <p>Hi Manju,</p>
            <p>This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and
              our other Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and
              balanced line here. <i><br>
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            <p><i>Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire
                NCSG letter of objection to their response - or do they
                want to select parts of it? </i><br>
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            <p>If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection -
              whatever terms <i>we</i><i> would like to include in the
                Council letter </i>- with a clear and prominent
              reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix- 
              then would it make it easier for the Board to see our
              concerns?   One place, one document to read (?)</p>
            <p>Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then
              sending it separately makes sense.  Also perhaps there are
              advantages to sending it separately that I may not be
              seeing. <br>
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            <p>But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known,
              very-opinionated, and frankly extreme (on this issue)
              Councilors to the GAC (not including Manju, of course!)
              without guidance from the GNSO Community is a distortion
              and misuse of the policy development process.</p>
            <p>Best, Kathy<br>
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            <div>On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen wrote:<br>
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                <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Thought
                  it's worth it to report back to you that our objection
                  to the dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by
                  the Council chair. </div>
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                  would be optimistic and say that we still have many
                  chances to voice our opinions during the latter
                  process, the first step being broadening the dialogue
                  to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not
                  limited to Councilors. </div>
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                  is the Council's draft response to the Board. There
                  are discussions going on about whether the NCSG's
                  letter of objection should be included in the
                  response. </div>
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                  personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the
                  Council's response and send our letter to the Board
                  ourselves. But I'd like to know what you think. </div>
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                    plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop
                    next week so we'll have to respond before April 27th
                    1200 UTC (Wednesday).</div>
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                    suggestions are welcome!</div>
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                  at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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                    <div>I think the argument that will be
                      used to respond to the idea of public comment is :
                      councillors are representing their SG/C and are
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                    <div>Moreover in more practical matter,
                      we are raising issues about discussing this issue
                      with GAC but public comment means another group
                      like ALAC would be involved.  Any wider discussion
                      should be then done within PDP and not through
                      ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some
                      possible alignment with ALAC in the topic (just an
                      assumption) but I would object to open the door
                      just for tactical gain.<br>
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                    <div>If we fail to stop the process, the
                      next step would be to discuss the rules of
                      engagement and scope for any discussion.</div>
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                    <div>Best.</div>
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                    <div>Rafik </div>
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                          14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro
                          <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:ncsg-subpro@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" href="mailto:ncsg-subpro@lists.ncsg.is" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">ncsg-subpro@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
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                            <p>Hi Manju,</p>
                            <p>Great letter and great edits by Bruna.  I
                              edited a few small things and then pulled
                              out and expanded our "ask" - that we would
                              like the GNSO Council to hold a comment
                              period to provide input and guidance to
                              this small group of individuals appointed
                              to talk to the GAC (should our excellent
                              and well-founded objections to the process
                              be overruled).  This will provide a way
                              for the GNSO Council to know the
                              issues/concerns/hopes o the GNSO Community
                              on this matter - and to provide clear
                              input  and guidance to the the small
                              Committee for the negotiations that may
                              lie ahead.  <br>
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                            <p>Here's the paragraph - building on
                              opening sentences of Manju and edits of
                              Bruna:</p>
                            <p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;" id="yiv6191931950gmail-m_-6623018635100056681gmail-m_-609274424477439503gmail-m_-5948031751832471517gmail-m_-5041452649685370881m_-1602612356452412869docs-internal-guid-9aef857f-7fff-c200-dc13-819b6f387813">We strongly support as the </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">first step that the GNSO Council seek public comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as opposed to having a ‘closed dialogue’ with the GAC where the scope and interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.  This input will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.  The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject - be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community? </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"></span></p>
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                                  discussed per yesterday's policy call,
                                  I've drafted our formal response to be
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                                  can find the statement here: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a></div>
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                                <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Best,</div>
                                <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Manju</div>
                              </div>
                              <br>
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On
                                  Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM 陳曼茹
                                  Manju Chen <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" target="_blank" href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manju@nii.org.tw</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Hi
                                      Tomslin and all,</div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Kurt
                                      and others obviously wanted it to
                                      be discussed in the Council
                                      meeting this week.</div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Steve
                                      has suggested if that was the
                                      intent we could propose a late
                                      motion. I think NCSG is not in a
                                      hurry about this, so I'll let
                                      others handle it if they want to
                                      propose the motion. </div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">I
                                      can share more details and answer
                                      questions today later during our
                                      policy call.</div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Best,</div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Manju</div>
                                    <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="yiv6191931950gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On
                                      Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM
                                      Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>Hi Manju,</div>
                                        <div>Thank you so much for the
                                          update. Nice strategy there
                                          with the small team
                                          representation. Do you know
                                          when that deferral will be
                                          brought to the council's
                                          attention? Or maybe I missed
                                          it in my hundreds of emails.<br>
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                                                          <div>Thanks
                                                          again.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Tomslin</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
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                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
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                                      <br>
                                      <div class="yiv6191931950gmail_quote">
                                        <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On Thu, 7
                                          Apr 2022 at 08:18, 陳曼茹 Manju
                                          Chen <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" target="_blank" href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manju@nii.org.tw</a>>
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Hi
                                              team,</div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Borrowing
                                              this thread to report back
                                              to you about what happened
                                              in the small team. </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">So
                                              as you might have guessed,
                                              I was the only one saying
                                              no to the 'facilitated
                                              dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and
                                              Kurt were eager to dive
                                              into the discussion of how
                                              we engage with GAC in this
                                              'facilitated dialogue' but
                                              thankfully they still
                                              respected our objection.
                                              My first point of
                                              objection is that the
                                              small team is really not
                                              representative enough to
                                              make the decision of
                                              whether the Council should
                                              meet with the GAC. For
                                              now, we agreed to refer
                                              this back to the Council
                                              and make the decision at
                                              the Council level. </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">I'm
                                              afraid though NCSG would
                                              be the only one saying no
                                              when we're at the Council
                                              level. Also when this pops
                                              up, we really have to have
                                              our statement
                                              ready explaining why we're
                                              saying no. I've put notes
                                              in the document Tomslin
                                              created and Kathy has been
                                              extremely helpful by
                                              providing reference
                                              material and edits: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a> </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">We
                                              will still need to phrase
                                              them into a formal
                                              statement, but I think
                                              it'd be an easy task now
                                              we have all the contents. </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Best,</div>
                                            <div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Manju</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
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                                            <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On Thu,
                                              Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM
                                              Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                              <div>Hi team,
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>I just
                                                  wanted to call your
                                                  attention to this
                                                  response we promised
                                                  to put together on the
                                                  board proposed
                                                  dialogue between GAC
                                                  and Council on closed
                                                  generics. The Council
                                                  small team is about to
                                                  be activated to start
                                                  deliberations and I
                                                  believe <span class="yiv6191931950gmail_chip                                                    yiv6191931950gmail_plusreply"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" target="_blank" href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;">@陳曼茹
                                                      Manju Chen</a></span><span> who
                                                    is representing us
                                                    there hopes to rely
                                                    on the response we
                                                    pen down to guide
                                                    her contribution to
                                                    that team. </span></div>
                                                <div><span><br>
                                                  </span></div>
                                                <div><span>In
                                                    this regard, can I
                                                    request that we find
                                                    some time to please
                                                    put our ideas down
                                                    on the Google form</span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a></div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Looking
                                                  forward to your help
                                                  with this. In the
                                                  meantime, i'll review
                                                  my meeting notes and
                                                  put down some feedback
                                                  we got during our
                                                  policy call on the
                                                  document. </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                  <div>Warmly,
                                                    <br>
                                                    Tomslin</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
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                                                  <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On
                                                    Wed, 16 Mar 2022,
                                                    22:25 Tomslin
                                                    Samme-Nlar, <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                        all,</div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>As a
                                                        follow-up to my
                                                        previous email
                                                        regarding the
                                                        board's proposed
                                                        facilitated
                                                        dialogue between
                                                        GAC and GNSO
                                                        council, I have
                                                        created this
                                                        Google doc [ <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a>
                                                        ] to capture our
                                                        response to this
                                                        proposal in the
                                                        form of a letter
                                                        to the council
                                                        small team on
                                                        Closed Generics.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Inputs to the
                                                        document are
                                                        welcomed and for
                                                        your
                                                        convenience,
                                                        attached again
                                                        is the letter
                                                        from the board
                                                        and the
                                                        accompanying
                                                        framing paper.<br>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Regards,<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Tomslin</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                        <br>
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                                                      <br>
                                                      <div class="yiv6191931950gmail_quote">
                                                        <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On
                                                          Tue, 15 Mar
                                                          2022 at 08:12,
                                                          Tomslin
                                                          Samme-Nlar
                                                          <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Dear
                                                          everyone,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Here is
                                                          the framing
                                                          paper on the
                                                          board's
                                                          proposed
                                                          dialogue
                                                          between GNSO
                                                          Council and
                                                          the GAC on
                                                          Closed
                                                          Generics that
                                                          was promised.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Comments
                                                          are welcomed.
                                                          I will also be
                                                          sending a
                                                          separate email
                                                          with a link to
                                                          the Google doc
                                                          where we
                                                          intend to
                                                          draft a letter
                                                          as a response
                                                          to this.<br>
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Regards,<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Tomslin</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
                                                          From: <b class="yiv6191931950gmail_sendername">Wendy
                                                          Profit via
                                                          Gnso-chairs</b>
                                                          <span><<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>></span><br>
                                                          Date: Fri, 11
                                                          Mar 2022 at
                                                          04:33<br>
                                                          Subject:
                                                          [gnso-chairs]
[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart
                                                          - GAC-GNSO
                                                          Consultation
                                                          on Closed
                                                          Generics<br>
                                                          To: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>
                                                          <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>>,
                                                          Manal Ismail
                                                          <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>,
                                                          <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>
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                                                          Cc: Secretary
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                                                          Maarten
                                                          Botterman <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>><br>
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                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Dear Manal
                                                          and Philippe,</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p><span>Pursuant
                                                          to the letter
                                                          sent recently
                                                          (6 March 2022,
                                                          attached for
                                                          reference), we
                                                          are now
                                                          forwarding the
                                                          associated
                                                          framework
                                                          paper entitled
                                                          “</span><span style="font-size:11pt;">Board-Facilitated
                                                          Process for a
                                                          GAC - GNSO
                                                          Council
                                                          Dialogue on
                                                          Closed
                                                          Generics”<span>,
                                                          also attached.</span></span></p>
                                                          <p><span><b><span> </span></b></span></p>
                                                          <p><span>Thank
                                                          you and best
                                                          regards,</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Wendy Profit</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">ICANN</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Board Operations Senior Manager</span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Los Angeles, CA 90094</span></p>
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                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p><span> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;">From: </span></b><span style="color:black;">Wendy
                                                          Profit <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:wendy.profit@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:wendy.profit@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">wendy.profit@icann.org</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Date: </b>Sunday,
                                                          March 6, 2022
                                                          at 3:58 PM<br>
                                                          <b>To: </b>"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>"
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                                                          "<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>"
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                                                          <b>Cc: </b>Maarten
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                                                          <b>Subject: </b>[CORRESPONDENCE]
                                                          Maarten
                                                          Botterman to
                                                          Manal Ismail
                                                          and Philippe
                                                          Fouquart -
                                                          GAC-GNSO
                                                          Consultation
                                                          on Closed
                                                          Generics</span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Dear Manal
                                                          and Philippe,</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Please
                                                          find the
                                                          attached
                                                          letter from
                                                          ICANN Chair
                                                          Maarten
                                                          Botterman
                                                          regarding a
                                                          proposed
                                                          formal
                                                          consultation
                                                          between the
                                                          GAC and GNSO
                                                          Council on how
                                                          to handle the
                                                          subject of
                                                          closed
                                                          generics in
                                                          gTLD
                                                          applications.</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Thank you
                                                          and best
                                                          regards,</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Wendy Profit</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">ICANN</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Board Operations Senior Manager</span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300</span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Los Angeles, CA 90094</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
                                                          <p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
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