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<p>I think we should.</p>
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<p>Hi Manju,</p>
<p>This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and
our other Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and
balanced line here. <i><br>
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<p><i>Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire
NCSG letter of objection to their response - or do they
want to select parts of it? </i><br>
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<p>If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection -
whatever terms <i>we</i><i> would like to include in the
Council letter </i>- with a clear and prominent
reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix-
then would it make it easier for the Board to see our
concerns? One place, one document to read (?)</p>
<p>Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then
sending it separately makes sense. Also perhaps there are
advantages to sending it separately that I may not be
seeing. <br>
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<p>But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known,
very-opinionated, and frankly extreme (on this issue)
Councilors to the GAC (not including Manju, of course!)
without guidance from the GNSO Community is a distortion
and misuse of the policy development process.</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div>On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Thought
it's worth it to report back to you that our objection
to the dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by
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would be optimistic and say that we still have many
chances to voice our opinions during the latter
process, the first step being broadening the dialogue
to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not
limited to Councilors. </div>
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is the Council's draft response to the Board. There
are discussions going on about whether the NCSG's
letter of objection should be included in the
response. </div>
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personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the
Council's response and send our letter to the Board
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next week so we'll have to respond before April 27th
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at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>I think the argument that will be
used to respond to the idea of public comment is :
councillors are representing their SG/C and are
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we are raising issues about discussing this issue
with GAC but public comment means another group
like ALAC would be involved. Any wider discussion
should be then done within PDP and not through
ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some
possible alignment with ALAC in the topic (just an
assumption) but I would object to open the door
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<div>If we fail to stop the process, the
next step would be to discuss the rules of
engagement and scope for any discussion.</div>
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14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro
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<p>Hi Manju,</p>
<p>Great letter and great edits by Bruna. I
edited a few small things and then pulled
out and expanded our "ask" - that we would
like the GNSO Council to hold a comment
period to provide input and guidance to
this small group of individuals appointed
to talk to the GAC (should our excellent
and well-founded objections to the process
be overruled). This will provide a way
for the GNSO Council to know the
issues/concerns/hopes o the GNSO Community
on this matter - and to provide clear
input and guidance to the the small
Committee for the negotiations that may
lie ahead. <br>
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<p>Here's the paragraph - building on
opening sentences of Manju and edits of
Bruna:</p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;" id="yiv6191931950gmail-m_-6623018635100056681gmail-m_-609274424477439503gmail-m_-5948031751832471517gmail-m_-5041452649685370881m_-1602612356452412869docs-internal-guid-9aef857f-7fff-c200-dc13-819b6f387813">We strongly support as the </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">first step that the GNSO Council seek public comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as opposed to having a ‘closed dialogue’ with the GAC where the scope and interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board. This input will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community. The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject - be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community? </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"></span></p>
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discussed per yesterday's policy call,
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sent to the Council (and the Board?)</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Kurt
and others obviously wanted it to
be discussed in the Council
meeting this week.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Steve
has suggested if that was the
intent we could propose a late
motion. I think NCSG is not in a
hurry about this, so I'll let
others handle it if they want to
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<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">I
can share more details and answer
questions today later during our
policy call.</div>
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<div>Thank you so much for the
update. Nice strategy there
with the small team
representation. Do you know
when that deferral will be
brought to the council's
attention? Or maybe I missed
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<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Borrowing
this thread to report back
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<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">So
as you might have guessed,
I was the only one saying
no to the 'facilitated
dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and
Kurt were eager to dive
into the discussion of how
we engage with GAC in this
'facilitated dialogue' but
thankfully they still
respected our objection.
My first point of
objection is that the
small team is really not
representative enough to
make the decision of
whether the Council should
meet with the GAC. For
now, we agreed to refer
this back to the Council
and make the decision at
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afraid though NCSG would
be the only one saying no
when we're at the Council
level. Also when this pops
up, we really have to have
our statement
ready explaining why we're
saying no. I've put notes
in the document Tomslin
created and Kathy has been
extremely helpful by
providing reference
material and edits: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">We
will still need to phrase
them into a formal
statement, but I think
it'd be an easy task now
we have all the contents. </div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Best,</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_default">Manju</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On Thu,
Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM
Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div>Hi team,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I just
wanted to call your
attention to this
response we promised
to put together on the
board proposed
dialogue between GAC
and Council on closed
generics. The Council
small team is about to
be activated to start
deliberations and I
believe <span class="yiv6191931950gmail_chip yiv6191931950gmail_plusreply"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" target="_blank" href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;">@陳曼茹
Manju Chen</a></span><span> who
is representing us
there hopes to rely
on the response we
pen down to guide
her contribution to
that team. </span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>In
this regard, can I
request that we find
some time to please
put our ideas down
on the Google form</span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Looking
forward to your help
with this. In the
meantime, i'll review
my meeting notes and
put down some feedback
we got during our
policy call on the
document. </div>
<div><br>
<div>Warmly,
<br>
Tomslin</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On
Wed, 16 Mar 2022,
22:25 Tomslin
Samme-Nlar, <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Hi
all,</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div>As a
follow-up to my
previous email
regarding the
board's proposed
facilitated
dialogue between
GAC and GNSO
council, I have
created this
Google doc [ <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a>
] to capture our
response to this
proposal in the
form of a letter
to the council
small team on
Closed Generics.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Inputs to the
document are
welcomed and for
your
convenience,
attached again
is the letter
from the board
and the
accompanying
framing paper.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,<br>
</div>
Tomslin</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="yiv6191931950gmail_attr">On
Tue, 15 Mar
2022 at 08:12,
Tomslin
Samme-Nlar
<<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv6191931950gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear
everyone,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here is
the framing
paper on the
board's
proposed
dialogue
between GNSO
Council and
the GAC on
Closed
Generics that
was promised.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Comments
are welcomed.
I will also be
sending a
separate email
with a link to
the Google doc
where we
intend to
draft a letter
as a response
to this.<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,<br>
</div>
Tomslin</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: <b class="yiv6191931950gmail_sendername">Wendy
Profit via
Gnso-chairs</b>
<span><<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, 11
Mar 2022 at
04:33<br>
Subject:
[gnso-chairs]
[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart
- GAC-GNSO
Consultation
on Closed
Generics<br>
To: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>
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Manal Ismail
<<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>,
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Cc: Secretary
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Correspondence
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Board Ops Team
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<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>
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GACSTAFF <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gac-staff@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gac-staff@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gac-staff@icann.org</a>>,
Maarten
Botterman <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>><br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Dear Manal
and Philippe,</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span>Pursuant
to the letter
sent recently
(6 March 2022,
attached for
reference), we
are now
forwarding the
associated
framework
paper entitled
“</span><span style="font-size:11pt;">Board-Facilitated
Process for a
GAC - GNSO
Council
Dialogue on
Closed
Generics”<span>,
also attached.</span></span></p>
<p><span><b><span> </span></b></span></p>
<p><span>Thank
you and best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Wendy Profit</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">ICANN</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Board Operations Senior Manager</span></p>
<div>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Los Angeles, CA 90094</span></p>
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<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<div style="border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;">From: </span></b><span style="color:black;">Wendy
Profit <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:wendy.profit@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:wendy.profit@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">wendy.profit@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday,
March 6, 2022
at 3:58 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>"
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"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>"
<<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>,
"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>"
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<b>Cc: </b>Maarten
Botterman <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>>,
"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>"
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GACSTAFF <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gac-staff@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gac-staff@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gac-staff@icann.org</a>>,
"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>"
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ICANN Board
Ops <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">board-ops-team@icann.org</a>>,
Correspondence
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Secretary <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:secretary@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:secretary@icann.org" class="yiv6191931950moz-txt-link-freetext">secretary@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[CORRESPONDENCE]
Maarten
Botterman to
Manal Ismail
and Philippe
Fouquart -
GAC-GNSO
Consultation
on Closed
Generics</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Dear Manal
and Philippe,</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Please
find the
attached
letter from
ICANN Chair
Maarten
Botterman
regarding a
proposed
formal
consultation
between the
GAC and GNSO
Council on how
to handle the
subject of
closed
generics in
gTLD
applications.</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Thank you
and best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Wendy Profit</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">ICANN</span></p>
<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Board Operations Senior Manager</span></p>
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<p class="yiv6191931950MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></p>
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