<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Manju,</div><div>Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Thanks again.<br></div>Tomslin</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen <<a href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw">manju@nii.org.tw</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi team,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the small team. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the Council level. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference material and edits: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Manju</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi team,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start deliberations and I believe <span class="gmail_chip gmail_plusreply" dir="auto"><a href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">@陳曼茹 Manju Chen</a></span><span> who is representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide her contribution to that team. </span></div><div dir="auto"><span><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span>In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our ideas down on the Google form</span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on the document. </div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this Google doc [ <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing</a> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the council small team on Closed Generics.</div><div><br></div><div>Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div>Tomslin</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.</div><div><br></div><div>Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to this.<br></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div>Tomslin</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33<br>Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics<br>To: <a href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>>, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>, <a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a> <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>><br>Cc: Secretary <<a href="mailto:secretary@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">secretary@icann.org</a>>, Correspondence <<a href="mailto:Correspondence@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Correspondence@icann.org</a>>, Board Ops Team <<a href="mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">board-ops-team@icann.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>, GACSTAFF <<a href="mailto:gac-staff@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gac-staff@icann.org</a>>, Maarten Botterman <<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>><br></div><br><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled “</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Board-Facilitated
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<b>Date: </b>Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:manal.ismail@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal.ismail@board.icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>" <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>, "<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Maarten Botterman <<a href="mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">maarten.botterman@board.icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>>, GACSTAFF <<a href="mailto:gac-staff@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gac-staff@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>, ICANN Board Ops <<a href="mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">board-ops-team@icann.org</a>>, Correspondence <<a href="mailto:Correspondence@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Correspondence@icann.org</a>>,
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<b>Subject: </b>[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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