<div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>I have been a little overwhelmed with other work-related stuff but wanted to agree with Stephanie on this. And, despite the fact that our charter does not forbid this kind of situation, I think its somehow problematic that the two are holding these positions and might see themselves in a little conflict of interest at some point. </div><div><br></div><div>I think we could chat with them, maybe, in order to try to understand what is their plan for standing for both ALAC and NCSGs interest in the mentioned spaces and - next time - try to avoid this from happening from the selection moment. But we would then of course have to overcome the volunteer shortage we are in. </div><div><br></div><div>best, </div><div>B</div><div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 8:41 AM Farell FOLLY <<a href="mailto:farell@benin2point0.org">farell@benin2point0.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>I will join Tomslin and Stephanie on that matter. That means that I also see a conflict, however, it might manageable if discussions with the concerned persons can lead to some acceptable agreements, assuming we believe in their good faith. Afterwards, we need to find a way to prevent it from happening again in the future.</div><div><br><div>
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<div><p>Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is
nothing in the Charter that precludes dual representation.
However, we are in tension with ALAC in various areas, notably in
their approach to the EPDP and the ACs' role in policy
development. This is an appointments committee....are ALAC
representatives going to object to business members who are
prominent in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of
interest to me, one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it.
I am an ALAC NA member, but I do nothing with ALAC except try to
promote better relationships with them, as long as I am performing
in an NCSG role. I think this is the appropriate response,
obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend these
reappointments on conflict of interest principles.</p><p>We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee.</p><p>cheers Steph<br>
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<div>As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is
due for refresh as they do annually after the AGM. <b>Naveed
Bin Rais</b> and <b>Raymond Mamattah</b>, two of our
current representatives to the SSC, both of whom have been
selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing
their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to
serve a second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC
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any conflict of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall
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