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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-09-10 12:59 p.m., Stephanie E
Perrin wrote:<br>
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<p>So I have added the following statement to the document:</p>
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Roman"">We note that those parties who pushed the hardest
for making this distinction between legal and natural persons
also pushed hard for a field or fields to input the data.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Given that the
recommendation will remain that it is a voluntary field, and
it is up to the contracted parties, whose business models vary
enormously, how they use the field(s), we do not believe that
recommendations concerning the precision of the field are
useful.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If ICANN
undertakes to instruct the IETF, for instance, how to
standardize the field, how is the distinction and the
collection and disclosure of the relevant data necessary to
make that distinction still voluntary?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>This is a matter to be
left to private sector best practice. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">It appears immediately before the
last paragraph.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Manju and I remain convinced that we
need to make this statement. She is hopefully asleep at this
moment, being 12 hours out of sync with EST. It reflects the
arguments we have been pursuing for the last number of months,
nothing new here....but it will be forgotten if we don't restate
it, and we all know that comments on the final report are not
going to be read as much as these minority statements.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am including Kathy and Bruna on
this thread as I know Kathy has been following the arguments
recently rather closely.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">cheers Steph<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-09-10 12:02 p.m., Stephanie E
Perrin wrote:<br>
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<p>Actually, the GAC minority statement makes my point rather
eloquently. We did not include a comment on the stupidity of
providing precision about the data elements of a field that is
not mandatory.....see the following<br>
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<p><span style="left: 60px; top: 86.6556px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.930697);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Recommendation
#1 Fields to Facilitate Differentiation between Legal and
Natural Person Registration Data</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 136.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.905203);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">The GAC urged for the creation
and use of data fields to flag legal registrants and the
presence or absence of personal</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 161.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.919814);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">information in their data
sets. Such flagging mechanisms would provide a necessary
first step for differentiation.</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 186.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.928752);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Recommendation 1 includes
several obligations with regard to the creation of fields to
facilitate differentiation</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 211.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.92673);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">between legal and natural
person registration data and identify whether that
registration data contains personal or</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 236.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.927445);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">non-personal data. In addition
to creating these fields, there are further obligations:</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 90px; top: 261.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr">●</span><span style="left: 120px; top: 261.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.906917);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">for ICANN to coordinate the
technical community, for example the RDAP WG, to develop any
necessary</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 120px; top: 286.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.907152);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">standards
associated with such field(s);</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 90px; top: 311.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr">●</span><span style="left: 120px; top: 311.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.910993);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">for the SSAD, consistent with
the EPDP Phase 2 recommendations, to support the fields in
order to facilitate</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 120px; top: 336.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.902015);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">integration
between SSAD and the Contracted Parties’ systems; and</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 90px; top: 361.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr">●</span><span style="left: 120px; top: 361.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.914252);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">for the fields to support
specific values related to the status of legal persons and
the presence or absence of</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 120px; top: 386.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.911399);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">personal
data.</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 436.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.902721);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">The GAC especially values the
precision of this Recommendation in specifying precisely
what values should be</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 461.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.915141);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">included in these fields. The
GAC though believes that Recommendation 1 would be more
effective in creating the</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 486.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.942198);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">necessary infrastructure for
differentiation if it:</span><br role="presentation">
<b><span style="left: 90px; top: 511.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.909378);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">1.</span></b><b><span style="left: 103.913px; top: 511.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr"> </span></b><b><span style="left: 120px; top:
511.656px; font-size: 18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scaleX(0.931816);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">required contracted parties to not just create
but also to</span></b><b><span style="left: 537.982px;
top: 511.656px; font-size: 18.3333px; font-family:
sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr"> </span></b><b><span style="left: 542.117px; top: 511.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.876411);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">use</span></b><b><span style="left: 568.029px; top: 511.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr"> </span></b><b><span style="left: 572.165px;
top: 511.656px; font-size: 18.3333px; font-family:
sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.920754);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">these fields;</span></b><b><br role="presentation">
</b><b><span style="left: 90px; top: 536.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.909378);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">2.</span></b><b><span style="left: 103.913px; top: 536.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr"> </span></b><b><span style="left: 120px; top:
536.656px; font-size: 18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scaleX(0.920795);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">provided specific timelines for making these
fields operable; and</span></b><b><br role="presentation">
</b><b><span style="left: 90px; top: 561.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.909378);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">3.</span></b><b><span style="left: 103.913px; top: 561.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;" role="presentation" dir="ltr"> </span></b><b><span style="left: 120px; top:
561.656px; font-size: 18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif;
transform: scaleX(0.930029);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">ensured that the fields will operate within the
current and contemplated systems for data collection and</span></b><b><br role="presentation">
</b><b><span style="left: 120px; top: 586.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.904756);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">disclosure.</span></b><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 636.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.925277);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">For clarity, the GAC thinks
that requiring contracted parties to populate these fields
for all future registrations,</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 661.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.938143);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">irrespective of whether the
contracted parties elect to differentiate in their treatment
of data from natural versus</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 686.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.921914);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">legal entities, is efficient
and in the public interest because it would provide a basis
to flag and identify data that may</span><br role="presentation">
<span style="left: 60px; top: 711.656px; font-size: 18.3333px;
font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(0.914114);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">be the subject of future
expedited SS</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 60px; top: 711.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.914114);" role="presentation" dir="ltr"><br>
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<p><span style="left: 60px; top: 711.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.914114);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">Going to go
back in and add a comment on this stupidity that flies in
the face of database construction logic</span></p>
<p><span style="left: 60px; top: 711.656px; font-size:
18.3333px; font-family: sans-serif; transform:
scaleX(0.914114);" role="presentation" dir="ltr">cheers
Steph<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-09-10 11:27 a.m., Mueller,
Milton L wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">> Our arguments are not clearly presented
in the final report. <br>
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<div dir="auto">So? What matters in the final report is the
policy conclusions, not the arguments of all sides. <br>
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<div dir="auto">I invite you to write a guest blog for IGP
covering the process, but that's public commentary, which
should never be confused with an ICANN policy document. <span id="🙂">🙂</span><br>
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<div dir="auto">>jockeying tecently about what goes in
the report and what has to be in minority statements has <br>
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<div dir="auto">> been intense and ludicrous.</div>
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<div dir="auto">indeed.</div>
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