<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I also agree it is a good time to move the conversation to the DNS abuse list.</div><div><br></div><div>Have we agreed on the day of the call being 27/07? Putting it in the calendar early would be good, to allow folks to plan their attendance.</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding the agenda, it depends on the priority we are giving to the response to the RrSG white paper. We can certainly allocate time to discuss response to the paper then proceed to discuss (1) mapping other positions and working definitions of <span>DNS</span> <span>abuse</span> across the ICANN community; (2) NCSGs <span>DNS</span> <span>abuse</span> working definition, concerns and process.</div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Tomslin<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">@Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/tomsleen" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/tomsleen</a></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">@LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/</a><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 02:03, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font color="#0c343d">Thanks Bruna. See my reply inline below. </font></b></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 4:43 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Heya Akinremi, <div><br></div><div>I did not understand what this agenda was for. Are you suggesting we host an internal call on this specific issue before the call with the CPH ? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#073763">Yes. I am suggesting an internal call</font> </b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>In any case, I believe the agenda for a first call should be smaller as we still need to discuss the different perspectives of DNS abuse around our community and see whether there would be consensus at NCSG for adopting our own. </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><font color="#073763"><b>Perfect. Please feel free to edit and reshape. The essence is for us to discuss different perspectives of DNS abuse around our community and others. </b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Also, besides that, i would advise against hosting these discussions with the PC only. There are discussions highly relevant to our community and if you may recall, we have assembled a mailing list for discussing DNS abuse a while ago that is open to all membership. My suggestion here would be the following: <br>a. host such discussions on the mailing list created exclusively for DNS Abuse discussions; </div><div>b. Advertise the call and mailing list on the broader membership list just so everyone is aware of that (and i could do that once we have agreed on a date)<br>c. Reshape the agenda just so we can have a NCSG oriented discussion on DNS abuse and debate the adoption of our own concept. </div><div><br></div><div>What do you say ? <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font color="#073763"><b>Very well in agreement with you Bruna. </b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>best, </div><div>B</div><div><br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:08 AM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" target="_blank">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>Thank you for your contributions so far on the DNS abuse. Since we have agreed to move the conversations forward, I would like to propose a call to share thoughts on the good and bad of registrant DNS abuse mechanisms and what could possibly be our positions.</div><div><br></div><div> The draft agenda put into consideration the comments on the group. Since the white paper is not time sensitive, I would suggest the 27th of July for the meeting as to enable us to align on the DNS Abuse issues. Please see the link to the agenda and let me know what you think.</div><div><br></div><div>Link: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6tqd1FWRO8tScYAeFeF7qePo4Tvm_eZFAzrO81Yvec/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6tqd1FWRO8tScYAeFeF7qePo4Tvm_eZFAzrO81Yvec/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br></div><div>While going through the CPH DNS definition abuse, I noticed that malware and Phishing are the critical elements. Without malware, botnet, pharming will not be empowered. And the gateway to tricking registrants to installing malicious code is majorly through spaming. Here is my question to what is CPH contributing to reducing registrants receiving unwanted messages and patches rather than the mechanism which is a very good move. ..Just thinking...</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Heya, <div><br></div><div>Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while ago inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC. </div><div><br></div><div>I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be interested in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group. Can you please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ? </div><div><br></div><div>ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look. <br><br>best, </div><div>Bruna </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Drazek, Keith</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM<br>Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse<br>To: <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>, Jim Galvin (<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>) <<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>, <a href="mailto:lseufer@namespace.com" target="_blank">lseufer@namespace.com</a> <<a href="mailto:lseufer@namespace.com" target="_blank">lseufer@namespace.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:rlevy@tucows.com" target="_blank">rlevy@tucows.com</a> <<a href="mailto:rlevy@tucows.com" target="_blank">rlevy@tucows.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:secretariat@rysg.info" target="_blank">secretariat@rysg.info</a> <<a href="mailto:secretariat@rysg.info" target="_blank">secretariat@rysg.info</a>>, <a href="mailto:secretariat@icannregistrars.org" target="_blank">secretariat@icannregistrars.org</a> <<a href="mailto:secretariat@icannregistrars.org" target="_blank">secretariat@icannregistrars.org</a>><br></div><br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bruna,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse meeting time slot, ideally
starting in late June. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust as needed...just let me know.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If none of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an alternate slot.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">22 June<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">29 June<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">6 July<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">13 July<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">20 July <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">27 July<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br>
Keith<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Drazek, Keith <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian F. Cimbolic <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>; Jim Galvin <<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>; Graeme Bunton <<a href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com" target="_blank">gbunton@tucows.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Engagement on DNS Abuse<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Bruna,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group as we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach to our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As previously noted by the CPH,
<a href="https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">DNS Abuse</span></a> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS Abuse.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points, hear suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to mitigate DNS Abuse. Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse questions that would be
able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our discussion. Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS Abuse levels?
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find helpful?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join us. Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC. If so, please propose a Tuesday when you are available.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keith <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Keith Drazek<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">+1-571-377-9182<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="mailto:Kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">Kdrazek@verisign.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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