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    <p>Thanks both, <br>
      I agree with Tomslin proposal. I think we should move forward in
      order to advance in our Task-Force to have at least a common
      definition about what is DNS abuse for us. Maybe yourself as PC
      Chair, can lead us doing that or maybe anyone who want to step-in
      to lead this effort. <br>
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    <p>I think all PC members should be part of this discussion. <br>
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    <p>Best Regards,<br>
      Juan<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 29/06/21 a las 4:14 p. m., Tomslin
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        <div>I think we should meet them sometime. However, it seems
          this meeting being organised now will be a one-way update from
          them to us and we might not have the input they seek in the
          meeting since the actions we promised to do before we meet
          again, being (1) mapping other positions and working
          definitions of <span class="gmail-il">DNS</span> <span
            class="gmail-il">abuse</span> across the ICANN community;
          (2) start drafting a position paper: NCSGs <span
            class="gmail-il">DNS</span> <span class="gmail-il">abuse</span>
          working definition, concerns and process, have not been
          actioned yet. So we'll be going to the meeting, not having
          progressed from the place we were at the previous meeting. It
          doesn't sound like a very productive use of our limited time,
          especially if folks are required to wake up in the middle of
          the night.<br>
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        <div>I suggest we make some progress on our side before we meet
          them again. To do this, I suggest we appoint a chair to the
          NCSG DNS Abuse Task-Force, so that we have someone responsible
          in driving progress on the two tasks above. If we are lucky, 
          we might be able to have a position in a month and then meet
          with CPH.<br>
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                                  <div>Cheers,<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 00:38,
          Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a
            href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>
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            <div>Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an
              email a while ago inquiring about a second meeting about
              DNS abuse. We still have four available dates from the
              initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July or 27
              July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC. </div>
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            <div>I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we
              would be interested in going back to our interactions with
              their DNS abuse group. Can you please reply to this email
              by Thursday, cob ? </div>
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            <div>ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and
              registrant protections that I'm adding to this email just
              so you can take a look. <br>
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              best, </div>
            <div>Bruna </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded
                  message ---------<br>
                  From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Drazek,
                    Keith</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a
                      href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>></span><br>
                  Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM<br>
                  Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse<br>
                  To: <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>
                  <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>><br>
                  Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (<a
                    href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>) <<a
                    href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>,
                  Jim Galvin (<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>)
                  <<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>,
                  <a href="mailto:lseufer@namespace.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">lseufer@namespace.com</a>
                  <<a href="mailto:lseufer@namespace.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lseufer@namespace.com</a>>,
                  <a href="mailto:rlevy@tucows.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rlevy@tucows.com</a> <<a
                    href="mailto:rlevy@tucows.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rlevy@tucows.com</a>>, <a
                    href="mailto:secretariat@rysg.info" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">secretariat@rysg.info</a>
                  <<a href="mailto:secretariat@rysg.info"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">secretariat@rysg.info</a>>,
                  <a href="mailto:secretariat@icannregistrars.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">secretariat@icannregistrars.org</a>
                  <<a href="mailto:secretariat@icannregistrars.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">secretariat@icannregistrars.org</a>><br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bruna,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well as we
                      approach ICANN 71!</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I'm checking in with you to
                      schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG conversation
                      on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these
                      sessions on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our
                      regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse meeting
                      time slot, ideally starting in late June. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I've tentatively penciled NCSG
                      in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust as
                      needed...just let me know.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Here are the possible dates
                      over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If none of
                      these dates/times work, let me know and we can try
                      to find an alternate slot.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">22 June</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">29 June</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">6 July</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">13 July</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">20 July </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">27 July</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and we look forward to
                      our continued dialogue!</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br>
                      Keith</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Drazek, Keith
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a
                            href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Brian F. Cimbolic <<a
                            href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>;
                          Jim Galvin <<a
                            href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>;
                          Graeme Bunton <<a
                            href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gbunton@tucows.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Engagement on DNS Abuse</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Bruna,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well and
                      staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out to you
                      on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse
                      Working Group as we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the
                      rest of 2021.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">The Contracted Party House
                      (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach to
                      our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS
                      Abuse. As previously noted by the CPH,
                      <a
href="https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                        <span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">DNS Abuse</span></a>
                      comprises five categories: phishing, pharming,
                      malware, botnets, and spam when it acts as a
                      delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of
                      DNS Abuse.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">We want to open a more direct
                      dialogue to understand pain points, hear
                      suggestions and identify common ground where we
                      can work together to mitigate DNS Abuse.  Is there
                      a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
                      questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS
                      Abuse group on a call to discuss this topic? We
                      want to encourage frank and productive
                      discussions  on the topic that lead to really
                      informing our dialogues and actions.
                    </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">As a starting point, we propose
                      the following questions to guide our discussion. 
                      Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What
                      information do you use and how do you use it to
                      assess DNS Abuse levels?
                    </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What
                      are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Are
                      you seeing practices from registrars or registries
                      you find helpful?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Please let us know if a
                      subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join us. 
                      Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500
                      UTC.  If so, please propose a Tuesday when you are
                      available.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Keith </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Keith
                        Drazek</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Vice
                        President, Public Policy & Government
                        Relations</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Verisign,
                        Inc.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">+1-571-377-9182</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                          href="mailto:Kdrazek@verisign.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Kdrazek@verisign.com</a></span></p>
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JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
GNSO Councilor - ICANN
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