<div dir="ltr">I agree with Tomslin leading the efforts. I have tried myself but given the limited responses and engagement Id be happy to cooperate with whomever wants to step in. <div><br></div><div>Also, maybe this is a good space for us to take a look at the RrSG paper on Abuse as well. </div><div><br></div><div>best, </div><div>B</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:46 PM Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thanks both, <br>
I agree with Tomslin proposal. I think we should move forward in
order to advance in our Task-Force to have at least a common
definition about what is DNS abuse for us. Maybe yourself as PC
Chair, can lead us doing that or maybe anyone who want to step-in
to lead this effort. <br>
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<p>I think all PC members should be part of this discussion. <br>
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<p>Best Regards,<br>
Juan<br>
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<div>I think we should meet them sometime. However, it seems
this meeting being organised now will be a one-way update from
them to us and we might not have the input they seek in the
meeting since the actions we promised to do before we meet
again, being (1) mapping other positions and working
definitions of <span>DNS</span> <span>abuse</span> across the ICANN community;
(2) start drafting a position paper: NCSGs <span>DNS</span> <span>abuse</span>
working definition, concerns and process, have not been
actioned yet. So we'll be going to the meeting, not having
progressed from the place we were at the previous meeting. It
doesn't sound like a very productive use of our limited time,
especially if folks are required to wake up in the middle of
the night.<br>
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<div>I suggest we make some progress on our side before we meet
them again. To do this, I suggest we appoint a chair to the
NCSG DNS Abuse Task-Force, so that we have someone responsible
in driving progress on the two tasks above. If we are lucky,
we might be able to have a position in a month and then meet
with CPH.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 00:38,
Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Heya,
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<div>Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an
email a while ago inquiring about a second meeting about
DNS abuse. We still have four available dates from the
initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July or 27
July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC. </div>
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<div>I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we
would be interested in going back to our interactions with
their DNS abuse group. Can you please reply to this email
by Thursday, cob ? </div>
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<div>ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and
registrant protections that I'm adding to this email just
so you can take a look. <br>
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best, </div>
<div>Bruna </div>
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From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Drazek,
Keith</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM<br>
Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse<br>
To: <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>
<<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>,
Jim Galvin (<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>)
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bruna,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well as we
approach ICANN 71!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm checking in with you to
schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG conversation
on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these
sessions on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our
regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse meeting
time slot, ideally starting in late June. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've tentatively penciled NCSG
in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust as
needed...just let me know.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here are the possible dates
over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If none of
these dates/times work, let me know and we can try
to find an alternate slot.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">22 June</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">29 June</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">6 July</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">13 July</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">20 July </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">27 July</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and we look forward to
our continued dialogue!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br>
Keith</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Drazek, Keith
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian F. Cimbolic <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>;
Jim Galvin <<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>;
Graeme Bunton <<a href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com" target="_blank">gbunton@tucows.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Engagement on DNS Abuse</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Bruna,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well and
staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out to you
on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse
Working Group as we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the
rest of 2021.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Contracted Party House
(CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach to
our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS
Abuse. As previously noted by the CPH,
<a href="https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">DNS Abuse</span></a>
comprises five categories: phishing, pharming,
malware, botnets, and spam when it acts as a
delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of
DNS Abuse.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We want to open a more direct
dialogue to understand pain points, hear
suggestions and identify common ground where we
can work together to mitigate DNS Abuse. Is there
a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS
Abuse group on a call to discuss this topic? We
want to encourage frank and productive
discussions on the topic that lead to really
informing our dialogues and actions.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a starting point, we propose
the following questions to guide our discussion.
Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What
information do you use and how do you use it to
assess DNS Abuse levels?
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What
are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Are
you seeing practices from registrars or registries
you find helpful?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let us know if a
subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join us.
Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500
UTC. If so, please propose a Tuesday when you are
available.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keith </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Keith
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