<html><body style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <br />Huge tx to Stephanie for drafting these comments - especially during/after a busy ICANN meeting. <div><br /></div><div>Tx to Milton for his edits.</div><div><br /></div><div>I've read them and appreciate the hard work, deep thought, and great passion for our NCSG members and the lives that are on the line with this data. Just yesterday the Washington Post had an article about a Egyptian man based in the US whose family has been arrested and is being tortured in Egypt for the words/posting of the son in the US.</div><div><br /></div><div>Tx you both for trying so hard to preserve privacy and balance in this process.</div><div><br /></div><div>Best, Kathy<br /><br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Stephanie E Perrin" <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:35:27 -0400<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG EPDP] draft comments on the EPDP final report<br /><br /><br /><p>Fine be me <br /></p>
<p>cheers Stephanie<br /></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-03-30 5:33 a.m., Tomslin
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<div>Thank you again everyone for the comments, edits and
discussion. It is 20:00 on 30th April now my time. So I have
to either submit it before I go to bed or first thing in the
morning. However, if there are no more comments to the
draft, I'll prefer submitting it before I go to bed.<br /><br /><div>Cheers,<br />
Tomslin<br />
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue., 30 Mar. 2021,
10:46 Stephanie E Perrin, <<a href="mailto:stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca">stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca</a>>
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Ok I have added bits as requested....I did not accept
your rejection of <br />
the premise that the accreditation body cost estimate
may be low. This <br />
is not based on my opinions alone, it is is based on all
the work done <br />
in private by the EWG....we looked at the possible
options for <br />
accreditation of entities, and it was considered by all
to be a <br />
nightmare and potentially expensive. I also worked on
this, including <br />
with respect to cross border data sharing in my capacity
of DG Risk <br />
Management when I was at Service Canada....managing
credentials for <br />
users of a global system is extremely expensive. I used
the term "may" <br />
so we are not making a fact assertion, but I will be
stunned if they can <br />
do this for that kind of budget. Remember that
permitting the wrong <br />
users eg criminals into the system would be the cause of
a major data <br />
breach, which comes with big $$$ penalties. If there
are no further <br />
comments I will go in , accept your additions, and turn
it over to <br />
Tomslin to submit (what day is it for you Tomslin? )
we have approx <br />
24 hours to the deadline.<br /><br />
cheers and thanks for the comments Milton! I don't
necessarily agree <br />
with totally downpedalling the cost issues but am
willing to compromise <br />
on it, we have signalled strongly that this is a new
payer and you left <br />
that in.<br /><br />
Steph<br /><br />
On 2021-03-29 2:25 p.m., Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br />
> Stephanie:<br />
> Really appreciate the work involved in the first
draft.<br />
> I am commenting on the doc and I want to alert
everyone in NCSG that I think it is a major strategic
error for our comments to reinforce the IPC/BC's attacks
on the financial viability of the SSAD. The SSAD is
viable if the users (e.g., Facebook, Markmonitor, etc)
pay for it. When the surveillance caucus says it is too
costly they are just angling for free access and our
having registrars and registrants pay for it. When you
reinforce the false argument that this will be too
expensive, you are advancing their agenda. Not
deliberately, of course, but you seem to be unaware of
how your argument shoots us in the foot.<br />
><br />
> During the negotiations over the SSAD, NCSG's
position was that users pay for their own accreditation
costs, and that usage of the system should be tiered to
differentiate between light and heavy users. Also, the
existence of an SSAD helps us argue for keeping the
private data redacted.<br />
><br />
> So I have suggested various changes and deletions
in the comments to reflect this perspective.<br />
><br />
> --MM<br />
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> -----Original Message-----<br />
> From: EPDP <<a href="mailto:epdp-bounces@lists.ncsg.is">epdp-bounces@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
On Behalf Of Stephanie E Perrin<br />
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:20 PM<br />
> To: NCSG PC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>;
'epdp (<a href="mailto:epdp@lists.ncsg.is">epdp@lists.ncsg.is</a>)' <<a href="mailto:epdp@lists.ncsg.is">epdp@lists.ncsg.is</a>>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech">kathy@dnrc.tech</a><br />
> Subject: [NCSG EPDP] draft comments on the EPDP
final report<br />
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> Here is the link to the draft comment<br />
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> Please let me know if you have trouble editing<br />
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> cheers Stephanie Perrin<br />
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