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    <p>Fine be me.  <br>
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    <p>cheers Stephanie<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-03-30 5:33 a.m., Tomslin
      Samme-Nlar wrote:<br>
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          <div>Thank you again everyone for the comments, edits and
            discussion. It is 20:00 on 30th April now my time. So I have
            to either submit it before I go to bed or first thing in the
            morning. However, if there are no more comments to the
            draft, I'll prefer submitting it before I go to bed.<br>
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            <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Cheers,<br>
              Tomslin<br>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue., 30 Mar. 2021,
                10:46 Stephanie E Perrin, <<a href="mailto:stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                Ok I have added bits as requested....I did not accept
                your rejection of <br>
                the premise that the accreditation body cost estimate
                may be low.  This <br>
                is not based on my opinions alone, it is is based on all
                the work done <br>
                in private by the EWG....we looked at the possible
                options for <br>
                accreditation of entities, and it was considered by all
                to be a <br>
                nightmare and potentially expensive.  I also worked on
                this, including <br>
                with respect to cross border data sharing in my capacity
                of DG Risk <br>
                Management when I was at Service Canada....managing
                credentials for <br>
                users of a global system is extremely expensive.  I used
                the term "may" <br>
                so we are not making a fact assertion, but I will be
                stunned if they can <br>
                do this for that kind of budget. Remember that
                permitting the wrong <br>
                users eg criminals into the system would be the cause of
                a major data <br>
                breach, which comes with big $$$ penalties.  If there
                are no further <br>
                comments I will go in , accept your additions, and turn
                it over to <br>
                Tomslin to submit.  (what day is it for you Tomslin?  )
                we have approx <br>
                24 hours to the deadline.<br>
                <br>
                cheers and thanks for the comments Milton!  I don't
                necessarily agree <br>
                with totally downpedalling the cost issues but am
                willing to compromise <br>
                on it, we have signalled strongly that this is a new
                payer and you left <br>
                that in.<br>
                <br>
                Steph<br>
                <br>
                On 2021-03-29 2:25 p.m., Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
                > Stephanie:<br>
                > Really appreciate the work involved in the first
                draft.<br>
                > I am commenting on the doc and I want to alert
                everyone in NCSG that I think it is a major strategic
                error for our comments to reinforce the IPC/BC's attacks
                on the financial viability of the SSAD. The SSAD is
                viable if the users (e.g., Facebook, Markmonitor, etc)
                pay for it. When the surveillance caucus says it is too
                costly they are just angling for free access and our
                having registrars and registrants pay for it. When you
                reinforce the false argument that this will be too
                expensive, you are advancing their agenda. Not
                deliberately, of course, but you seem to be unaware of
                how your argument shoots us in the foot.<br>
                ><br>
                > During the negotiations over the SSAD, NCSG's
                position was that users pay for their own accreditation
                costs, and that usage of the system should be tiered to
                differentiate between light and heavy users. Also, the
                existence of an SSAD helps us argue for keeping the
                private data redacted.<br>
                ><br>
                > So I have suggested various changes and deletions
                in the comments to reflect this perspective.<br>
                ><br>
                > --MM<br>
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                > -----Original Message-----<br>
                > From: EPDP <<a href="mailto:epdp-bounces@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-bounces@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
                On Behalf Of Stephanie E Perrin<br>
                > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 4:20 PM<br>
                > To: NCSG PC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>;
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech">kathy@dnrc.tech</a><br>
                > Subject: [NCSG EPDP] draft comments on the EPDP
                final report<br>
                ><br>
                > Here is the link to the draft comment<br>
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                > Please let me know if you have trouble editing<br>
                ><br>
                > cheers Stephanie Perrin<br>
                ><br>
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