<div dir="ltr">While I acknowledge Jeff's leadership in the Subpro, I would agree with Kathy that if thats the pre-requisite we should also nominate previous chairs for this position and so on. <br><br>On the other hand, I would absolutely support Joly for this award. Adding to the list, I would say that any of us whos been part of the EPDP would also be deserving of such award in the recent past. <div><br></div><div>Hope everyone is safe ;) <br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 24 mars 2020 à 17:37, Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree on nominating someone else than anyone on IPC..<div><br></div><div>-Raoul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 13:26, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Personally I would rather we nominate someone, like Joly or Don
      Blumenthal.<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 2020-03-24 10:10 a.m., Kathy Kleiman
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <p>While we can't block this nomination, I would strongly
        recommend not joining it.  Jeff Neuman may win, but he does not
        need our help or endorsement.</p>
      <p>Jeff is an unapologetic support of New gTLD registries and
        overexpansion of intellectual property rights. He was a huge
        supporter of the private Public Interest Commitments -- the
        creator of the term "Walled Gardens" for a registry world in
        which registrants have no rights. He has fought, as co-chair,
        for registry rights to be embedded in the New gTLD applicant
        guidebook, and these now are.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>I appreciate his many years of chairing of a PDP WG, but he's
        not alone -- I've done that, Phil Corwin has done that, others
        too. He has not been particularly fair or neutral -- until
        complaints were made and he changed slowly. <br>
      </p>
      <p>We don't need to support this nomination.  We can applaud
        politely when he wins.</p>
      <p>Best, Kathy</p>
       <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote><br>
        ----- Original Message -----<br>
        <div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228)">
          <div style="font-weight:bold">From:</div>
          "Stephanie Perrin" <a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a></div>
        <br>
        <div style="font-weight:bold">To:</div>
        "NCSG PC" <a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a>, "NCSG EC"
        <a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank"><ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is></a><br>
        <div style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</div>
        <br>
        <div style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</div>
        Tue, 24 Mar 2020 13:49:11 +0000<br>
        <div style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</div>
        [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Fwd: ICANN Excellence award - IPC will nominate
        Jeff Neuman<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <p>Folks ,could we get a 48 hour turnaround on a decision on
          this matter?  My apologies for the delay in acting, I have
          been preoccupied with the virus.</p>
        <p>cheers Steph<br>
        </p>
        <div><br>
          <br>
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            <tbody>
              <tr>
                <th valign="baseline" align="right">Subject: </th>
                <td>Fwd: ICANN Excellence award - IPC will nominate Jeff
                  Neuman</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <th valign="baseline" align="right">Date: </th>
                <td>Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:16:41 +1100</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <th valign="baseline" align="right">From: </th>
                <td>Heather Forrest <a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">
                    <haforrestesq@gmail.com></a></td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <th valign="baseline" align="right">To: </th>
                <td>Stephanie Perrin <a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">
                    <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>, Bruna
                  Martins dos Santos <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">
                    <bruna.mrtns@gmail.com></a>, Joan Kerr <a href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org" target="_blank">
                    <joankerr@fbsc.org></a>, Carlos Raul <a href="mailto:carlosraulg@gmail.com" target="_blank">
                    <carlosraulg@gmail.com></a></td>
              </tr>
            </tbody>
          </table>
          <br>
          <br>
          <div dir="ltr">Dear NCSG colleagues,
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Sorry to throw this into your inboxes when we're all
              fighting the madness, but the deadline is rapidly
              approaching to nominate Jeff for the (formerly called)
              "Ethos Award". The IPC had decided back in February to
              nominate him, and now RySG is keen to join on, and perhaps
              RrSG also. With this momentum going, I was hoping it might
              be across the board for the GNSO.</div>
            <div><br>
              Would the NCSG like to join? Nomination attached, which I
              will need to submit to the online application form by
              Friday.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Very best wishes to you all, hope you're keeping safe
              and sane,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Heather Forrest</div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded
                message ---------<br>
                From: <strong class="gmail_sendername">Heather Forrest</strong>
                <span>
                  <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM<br>
                Subject: Re: ICANN Excellence award - IPC will nominate
                Jeff Neuman<br>
                To: Austin, Donna <a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank">
                  <DonnaAustin@team.neustar></a><br>
                Cc: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <<a href="mailto:wuknoben@gmail.com" target="_blank">wuknoben@gmail.com</a>>,
                Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>,
                Selli, Claudia <<a href="mailto:claudiaselli@intl.att.com" target="_blank">claudia.selli@intl.att.com</a>>,
                Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>,
                Graeme Bunton <<a href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com" target="_blank">gbunton@tucows.com</a>><br>
              </div>
              <br>
              <br>
              <div dir="ltr">Thanks very much to Graeme, Wolf-Ulrich and
                Donna for your responses. Here's where I understand the
                situation (correct me if I'm wrong):
                <div>
                  <ul>
                    <li>RySG supports joint nomination</li>
                    <li>Graeme to confirm whether RrSG supports joint
                      nomination</li>
                    <li>ISPCP will not join joint nomination, but
                      members may choose to nominate him individually.</li>
                    <li>BC and NCSG - no response as yet
                      (understandable, when we're all flat out dealing
                      with pandemic arrangements),so I'll poke you again
                      one more time tomorrow after the IPC meeting if I
                      don't hear back between now and then.</li>
                    <li>Nomination draft revised to incorporate the
                      excellent suggestions from ISPCP - I have
                      highlighted major changes in yellow - as attached.</li>
                  </ul>
                  <div>Best wishes to all, be healthy,</div>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Heather</div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020
                  at 1:56 PM Austin, Donna <a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank">
                    <Donna.Austin@team.neustar></a> wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div lang="en-us">
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree with
                          Wolf-Ulrich that the inclusion of additional
                          aspects of Jeff’s long standing participation
                          in the community would likely improve his
                          chances.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I can
                          confirm that the RySG is willing to support
                          the IPC in its nomination of Jeff.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben [mailto:<a href="mailto:wuknoben@gmail.com" target="_blank">wuknoben@gmail.com</a>]
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:57 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Heather Forrest <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>;
                          Selli, Claudia <<a href="mailto:claudia.selli@intl.att.com" target="_blank">claudia.selli@intl.att.com</a>>;
                          Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>;
                          Austin, Donna
                          <a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank"><Donna.Austin@team.neustar></a>;
                          Graeme Bunton <<a href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com" target="_blank">gbunton@tucows.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: ICANN Excellence award -
                          IPC will nominate Jeff Neuman</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Heather,</p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I've brought your
                            suggestion to the attention of our
                            constituency at our call today. Those
                            participating in the conversation expressed
                            their agreement to Jeff being nominated.
                            Finally we decided to leave it up to the
                            members to file support personally before
                            the 27th.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">We also discussed the
                            rationale for the nomination. It may help to
                            improve the chances for Jeff if additional
                            aspects of his long lasting ICANN engagement
                            could be appreciated: eg Vicechair term on
                            GNSO Council, chair of the WG who drafted
                            the GNSO PDP (Annex A to the Bylaws) and the
                            related Manual in the GNSO Procedures where
                            he has shown outstanding capability of
                            cooperation.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Best regards</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Wolf-Ulrich</p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Am Fr., 20. März 2020 um
                            23:34 Uhr schrieb Heather Forrest <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>>:</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Donna, Graeme,
                              Wolf-Ulrich, Claudia, Stephanie,</p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">I hope this message
                                finds you all well and out of harm's
                                way.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">I should have thought
                                of this sooner but... better late than
                                never. The IPC proposed in its February
                                meeting (now over a month ago, but
                                Cancun madness intervened) to nominate
                                Jeff for the formerly ICANN Ethos Award,
                                now Community Excellence Award. We have
                                the attached nomination in draft form,
                                and I had intended to submit it after
                                next Wednesay's IPC membership meeting.
                                I understand that RySG has also been
                                discussing nominating Jeff, and so the
                                thought arose to circulate our draft and
                                ask if perhaps this isn't one of those
                                rare moments in history for an all-GNSO
                                action? Or at least to ask if there are
                                other SG/Cs who would be interested in
                                signing on. </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">The deadline is next
                                week, the 27th, so we need to keep an
                                eye on time. </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes to all,</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Heather</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Wolf-Ulrich
                                    Knoben</span></i></b></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Am
                                    Steinringer Berg 19</span></i></b></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">D-53639
                                    Königswinter</span></i></b></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Tel: +49
                                    2244 873999</span></i></b></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Mob: 0151
                                    14525867</span></i></b></p>
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