<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Elsa, i think for now, let’s follow the conversation closely and use every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.<div><br></div><div>As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with this new agreement, let’s make sure we are part of the drafting team that will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be represented there<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I’ve been extremely vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe we should consult with our members too about the situation?</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I know we’ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we’ve already discussed this several times, but we haven’t made a decision on a pathway forward. Any thoughts?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Elsa</div><div dir="auto">—</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what<br>
was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:<br>
<br>
- Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what will be<br>
the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to<br>
Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should<br>
not focus on this now.<br>
<br>
- GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1 to<br>
#4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on<br>
these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.<br>
<br>
- Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the<br>
umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.<br>
<br>
- With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition, timeline<br>
as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,<br>
GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.<br>
<br>
- This new group should be formed of people with the right expertise<br>
and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be<br>
time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking<br>
about who we will send there.<br>
<br>
- Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC members,<br>
interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council<br>
liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as<br>
well.<br>
<br>
This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the<br>
work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG<br>
closely.<br>
<br>
@Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Arsene<br>
<br>
<br>
2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> Hi Rafik,<br>
><br>
> I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need<br>
> someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know<br>
> anything I get from that informal meeting.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Arsene<br>
><br>
> 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be<br>
>> chairing EPDP sessions.<br>
>> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to<br>
>> attend<br>
>> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note<br>
>> what<br>
>> was discussed and suggested there.<br>
>> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following<br>
>> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any<br>
>> facilitated dialogue yet.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Rafik<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
>> De : Drazek, Keith via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
>> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 à 08:50<br>
>> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> This is a quick update on Tuesday’s 13:30 meeting between interested<br>
>> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those<br>
>> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional<br>
>> session.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> As you’ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating<br>
>> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the<br>
>> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for<br>
>> re-chartering<br>
>> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider<br>
>> Recommendation<br>
>> 5 and the IGO protections issue.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested<br>
>> parties<br>
>> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that<br>
>> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on<br>
>> how<br>
>> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is<br>
>> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record<br>
>> it<br>
>> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you’d like to<br>
>> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report<br>
>> out on the conversation.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>><br>
>> Keith<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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