<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have no comment. <br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Oct 2018, at 10:33, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">if there is no strong objection in coming hours, I will submit the attached comment.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rafik<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">Le ven. 5 oct. 2018 à 23:51, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">All my support to this comment. <div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Martín</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 11:42 Kathryn Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" class="">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">I'm an observer, but I support. Important to submit!</p><p class="">Kathy<br class="">
    </p>
    <div class="m_-6644491086184815438m_-6678167149340082323moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/2018 10:34 AM, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br class="">
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        <div dir="ltr" class="">hi all,
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class="">this a reminder about reviewing this draft comment <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit</a></div>
          <div class="">I added some bits I mentioned before. the deadline for
            submission is today.</div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class="">Best,</div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class="">Rafik<br class="">
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 09:15, Rafik Dammak
                <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
                a écrit :<br class="">
              </div>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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                          <div class="">Hi,</div>
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                          <div class="">Thanks, Farznaeh for the short draft. I
                            reviewed the paper again and what it is
                            suggesting as options. one issue is that
                            some are not related to what we got mainly
                            in the first paper about timelines:</div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">1- proposed timeline for ATRT is something we
                      can support. the ATRT will start its work on
                      January 2019 and in fact, GNSO is confirming the
                      selection (September Council meeting discussion).
                      no issue here.</div>
                    <div class="">2- the proposed scope for ATRT to discuss
                      "streamlining" specific reviews. that is of high
                      concern as it is limit the de factiATRT scope and
                      also impact other specific reviews. I think we
                      should add a comment on that front to not prevent
                      the ATRT from setting its own scope and what
                      covers as areas such as review ATRT2
                      recommendations and linking to WS1&2
                      recommendations.</div>
                    <div class="">3- to "streamline" organizational review and
                      starting a consultation process led by the
                      board(OEC), no particular issue here in term of
                      the process but we will see with what is proposed.
                      the outcome will impact us directly as it concerns
                      the GNSO review too that should start likely in
                      2020. one possible comment will be to avoid having
                      the process as board and staff led only and ensure
                      community full participation (they mention
                      consultation but...)</div>
                    <div class="">4- operating standards for specific review, we
                      missed commenting on the first draft, the concern
                      would be about the ability to comment on the
                      second draft and what is proposed here.  for
                      reminders the operating standards covered area
                      like the scoping, formation and other operating
                      procedures for review teams. one possible comment
                      is to request that the second version of operating
                      standards should go through a public comment and
                      consultation e.g. public session.</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">do you think we can include those items?</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">let's share the current draft in NCSG list and
                      I moved it to the google doc <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit</a>.</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">Best,</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">Rafik</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                      <div class="">
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div dir="ltr" class="">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 04:19,
                            Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
                            a écrit :<br class="">
                          </div>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            <div class="">Thanks, Farzi. Please find below in red
                              some suggested edits:
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                              </div>
                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">The
                                    Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group is
                                    <s class="">we are</s></span><span class=""> re-submitting
                                    our comments </span><span class="">dated
                                    31 July 2018
                                    pertaining</span><span class=""> </span><s class=""><span class="">on</span></s><span class=""> to</span><span class=""> the </span><span class="">future
                                    of</span><span class=""> short</span><span class="">-</span><span class="">term</span><span class="">[1] </span><span class="">and long</span><span class="">-</span><span class="">term</span><span class="">[2]
                                    specific and
                                    organizational</span><span class=""> review</span><span class="">s</span><span class="">. We </span><span class="">were <s class="">are</s></span><span class=""> </span><span class="">disappointed
                                    <s class="">surprised</s>
                                  </span><span class="">that the </span><span class="">B<s class="">b</s></span><span class="">oard </span><span class="">in its
                                    10 August 2018 Organizational
                                    Effectiveness Committee meeting[3]
                                    formed the view <s class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:red" class="">(in OEC
                                          meeting)</span></a> decided</s></span><span class=""> that there was </span><span class="">insufficient
                                    <s class="">not enough</s>
                                  </span><span class="">consensus </span><span class="">to move
                                    forward.</span><span class=""> </span><s class=""><span class="">on
                                      short and long
                                      term reviews due to limited
                                      comments<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:red" class=""> (a total of
                                          9 but from two ACs
                                          (ALAC and SSAC)</span></a> and
                                      Supporting organizations (GNSO and
                                      CCNSO)
                                      and most of  GNSO stakeholder
                                      groups and constituencies).</span></s><span class=""> The Board's
                                    decision to </span><span class="">gather
                                    further community
                                    input through an additional comment
                                    window is disappointing, because <s class="">ask
                                      for
                                      more comments despite the fact
                                      that clearly</s></span><span class="">
                                    there was consensus among the
                                    submitted comments</span><span class="">,
                                    and reopening this topic</span><span class=""> puts a great
                                    strain on
                                    a community of volunteers with
                                    limited time </span><span class="">and
                                    resources. <s class=""> In parallel with the
                                      effectiveness of Policy
                                      Development
                                      Processes, the Board should also
                                      consider how many issues it
                                      re-opens and
                                      instructs the community to work
                                      on.</s> In future when reopening
                                    an issue for
                                    further input, w<s class="">W</s></span><span class="">e </span><s class=""><span class="">also</span></s><span class=""> </span><span class="">ask th</span><span class="">at<s class="">e</s></span><span class=""> </span><span class="">the</span><span class=""> Board </span><s class=""><span class="">to</span></s><span class=""> </span><span class="">clearly state its
                                    method of gauging consensus </span><span class="">in <s class="">when</s></span><span class=""> evaluating
                                    public
                                    comment</span><s class=""><span class="">s</span></s><span class="">
                                    submissions and outline
                                    why it believes additional input is
                                    required</span><span class="">.
                                  </span><span class="">Thank
                                    you. <s class="">Otherwise, it can
                                      arbitrarily
                                      re-open issues.</s></span></p><div class=""><span class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">[1] <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">[2] <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">[3] <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en</a></span></p><div class=""><span class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                <div class="">Best wishes,</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class="">Ayden</div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                </div>
                                <div class=""><br class="">
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                                      <div class="">On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:48,
                                        farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:</div>
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                                            <div class="">Hi all,</div>
                                            <div class="">I wrote this paragraph
                                              to be added as an
                                              introduction to the
                                              resubmission of our
                                              comments. Please see
                                              below. Also I suggest
                                              Rafik share it with the
                                              mailing list after
                                              receiving your comments
                                              tomorrow. we have to
                                              submit on Friday.</div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">we are re-submitting
                                              our comments on the short
                                              term and long term review.
                                              We are surprised that the
                                              board <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">(in
                                                OEC meeting)</a> decided
                                              that there was not enough
                                              consensus on short and
                                              long term reviews due to
                                              limited comments<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""> (a
                                                total of 9 but from two
                                                ACs (ALAC and SSAC)</a> and
                                              Supporting organizations
                                              (GNSO and CCNSO) and most
                                              of  GNSO stakeholder
                                              groups and
                                              constituencies). The
                                              Board's decision to ask
                                              for more comments despite
                                              the fact that clearly
                                              there was consensus among
                                              the submitted comments
                                              puts a great strain on a
                                              community of volunteers
                                              with limited time.  In
                                              parallel with the
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                                              Development Processes, the
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                                              how many issues it
                                              re-opens and instructs the
                                              community to work on. We
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