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<p>I'm an observer, but I support. Important to submit!</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/2018 10:34 AM, Rafik Dammak
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<div dir="ltr">hi all,
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<div>this a reminder about reviewing this draft comment <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit"
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<div>I added some bits I mentioned before. the deadline for
submission is today.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Rafik<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 09:15, Rafik Dammak
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Thanks, Farznaeh for the short draft. I
reviewed the paper again and what it is
suggesting as options. one issue is that
some are not related to what we got mainly
in the first paper about timelines:</div>
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<div>1- proposed timeline for ATRT is something we
can support. the ATRT will start its work on
January 2019 and in fact, GNSO is confirming the
selection (September Council meeting discussion).
no issue here.</div>
<div>2- the proposed scope for ATRT to discuss
"streamlining" specific reviews. that is of high
concern as it is limit the de factiATRT scope and
also impact other specific reviews. I think we
should add a comment on that front to not prevent
the ATRT from setting its own scope and what
covers as areas such as review ATRT2
recommendations and linking to WS1&2
recommendations.</div>
<div>3- to "streamline" organizational review and
starting a consultation process led by the
board(OEC), no particular issue here in term of
the process but we will see with what is proposed.
the outcome will impact us directly as it concerns
the GNSO review too that should start likely in
2020. one possible comment will be to avoid having
the process as board and staff led only and ensure
community full participation (they mention
consultation but...)</div>
<div>4- operating standards for specific review, we
missed commenting on the first draft, the concern
would be about the ability to comment on the
second draft and what is proposed here. for
reminders the operating standards covered area
like the scoping, formation and other operating
procedures for review teams. one possible comment
is to request that the second version of operating
standards should go through a public comment and
consultation e.g. public session.</div>
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<div>do you think we can include those items?</div>
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<div>let's share the current draft in NCSG list and
I moved it to the google doc <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit</a>.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Rafik</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 04:19,
Ayden Férdeline <<a
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<div>Thanks, Farzi. Please find below in red
some suggested edits:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">The
Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group is
<s>we are</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> re-submitting
our comments </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">dated
31 July 2018
pertaining</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">on</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red"> to</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> the </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">future
of</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> short</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">-</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">term</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">[1] </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">and long</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">-</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">term</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">[2]
specific and
organizational</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> review</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">s</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">. We </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">were <s>are</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">disappointed
<s>surprised</s>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">that the </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">B<s>b</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">oard </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">in its
10 August 2018 Organizational
Effectiveness Committee meeting[3]
formed the view <s><a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:red">(in OEC
meeting)</span></a> decided</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> that there was </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">insufficient
<s>not enough</s>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">consensus </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">to move
forward.</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">on
short and long
term reviews due to limited
comments<a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:red"> (a total of
9 but from two ACs
(ALAC and SSAC)</span></a> and
Supporting organizations (GNSO and
CCNSO)
and most of GNSO stakeholder
groups and constituencies).</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> The Board's
decision to </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">gather
further community
input through an additional comment
window is disappointing, because <s>ask
for
more comments despite the fact
that clearly</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">
there was consensus among the
submitted comments</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">,
and reopening this topic</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> puts a great
strain on
a community of volunteers with
limited time </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">and
resources. <s> In parallel with the
effectiveness of Policy
Development
Processes, the Board should also
consider how many issues it
re-opens and
instructs the community to work
on.</s> In future when reopening
an issue for
further input, w<s>W</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">e </span><s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">also</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">ask th</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">at<s>e</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">the</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> Board </span><s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">to</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">clearly state its
method of gauging consensus </span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">in <s>when</s></span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> evaluating
public
comment</span><s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">s</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">
submissions and outline
why it believes additional input is
required</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">.
</span><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">Thank
you. <s>Otherwise, it can
arbitrarily
re-open issues.</s></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">[1] <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">[2] <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:red">[3] <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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<div>On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:48,
farzaneh badii <<a
href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com"
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<div>Hi all,</div>
<div>I wrote this paragraph
to be added as an
introduction to the
resubmission of our
comments. Please see
below. Also I suggest
Rafik share it with the
mailing list after
receiving your comments
tomorrow. we have to
submit on Friday.</div>
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<div>we are re-submitting
our comments on the short
term and long term review.
We are surprised that the
board <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(in
OEC meeting)</a> decided
that there was not enough
consensus on short and
long term reviews due to
limited comments<a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"> (a
total of 9 but from two
ACs (ALAC and SSAC)</a> and
Supporting organizations
(GNSO and CCNSO) and most
of GNSO stakeholder
groups and
constituencies). The
Board's decision to ask
for more comments despite
the fact that clearly
there was consensus among
the submitted comments
puts a great strain on a
community of volunteers
with limited time. In
parallel with the
effectiveness of Policy
Development Processes, the
Board should also consider
how many issues it
re-opens and instructs the
community to work on. We
also ask the Board to
clearly state its method
of gauging consensus when
evaluating public
comments. Otherwise, it
can arbitrarily re-open
issues.</div>
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