<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>I'm an observer, but I support. Important to submit!</p>
    <p>Kathy<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/2018 10:34 AM, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAH5sThkktHi7LWWhOP5DLF4TtZ9LdZC9HGb4p782y34-FZBTbg@mail.gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div dir="ltr">hi all,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>this a reminder about reviewing this draft comment <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit</a></div>
          <div>I added some bits I mentioned before. the deadline for
            submission is today.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Best,</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Rafik<br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 09:15, Rafik Dammak
                <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
                a écrit :<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div>
                      <div dir="ltr"
                        class="gmail-m_-3473748315002655856gmail_signature">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div>Hi,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Thanks, Farznaeh for the short draft. I
                            reviewed the paper again and what it is
                            suggesting as options. one issue is that
                            some are not related to what we got mainly
                            in the first paper about timelines:</div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>1- proposed timeline for ATRT is something we
                      can support. the ATRT will start its work on
                      January 2019 and in fact, GNSO is confirming the
                      selection (September Council meeting discussion).
                      no issue here.</div>
                    <div>2- the proposed scope for ATRT to discuss
                      "streamlining" specific reviews. that is of high
                      concern as it is limit the de factiATRT scope and
                      also impact other specific reviews. I think we
                      should add a comment on that front to not prevent
                      the ATRT from setting its own scope and what
                      covers as areas such as review ATRT2
                      recommendations and linking to WS1&2
                      recommendations.</div>
                    <div>3- to "streamline" organizational review and
                      starting a consultation process led by the
                      board(OEC), no particular issue here in term of
                      the process but we will see with what is proposed.
                      the outcome will impact us directly as it concerns
                      the GNSO review too that should start likely in
                      2020. one possible comment will be to avoid having
                      the process as board and staff led only and ensure
                      community full participation (they mention
                      consultation but...)</div>
                    <div>4- operating standards for specific review, we
                      missed commenting on the first draft, the concern
                      would be about the ability to comment on the
                      second draft and what is proposed here.  for
                      reminders the operating standards covered area
                      like the scoping, formation and other operating
                      procedures for review teams. one possible comment
                      is to request that the second version of operating
                      standards should go through a public comment and
                      consultation e.g. public session.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>do you think we can include those items?</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>let's share the current draft in NCSG list and
                      I moved it to the google doc <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit</a>.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Best,</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Rafik</div>
                    <div><br>
                      <div>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 04:19,
                            Ayden Férdeline <<a
                              href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
                            a écrit :<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            <div>Thanks, Farzi. Please find below in red
                              some suggested edits:
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">The
                                    Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group is
                                    <s>we are</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> re-submitting
                                    our comments </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">dated
                                    31 July 2018
                                    pertaining</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> </span><s><span
                                      style="font-family:"Times New
                                      Roman",serif;color:red">on</span></s><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red"> to</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> the </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">future
                                    of</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> short</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">-</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">term</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">[1] </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">and long</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">-</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">term</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">[2]
                                    specific and
                                    organizational</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> review</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">s</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">. We </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">were <s>are</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">disappointed
                                    <s>surprised</s>
                                  </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">that the </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">B<s>b</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">oard </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">in its
                                    10 August 2018 Organizational
                                    Effectiveness Committee meeting[3]
                                    formed the view <s><a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:red">(in OEC
                                          meeting)</span></a> decided</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> that there was </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">insufficient
                                    <s>not enough</s>
                                  </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">consensus </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">to move
                                    forward.</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> </span><s><span
                                      style="font-family:"Times New
                                      Roman",serif;color:red">on
                                      short and long
                                      term reviews due to limited
                                      comments<a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:red"> (a total of
                                          9 but from two ACs
                                          (ALAC and SSAC)</span></a> and
                                      Supporting organizations (GNSO and
                                      CCNSO)
                                      and most of  GNSO stakeholder
                                      groups and constituencies).</span></s><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> The Board's
                                    decision to </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">gather
                                    further community
                                    input through an additional comment
                                    window is disappointing, because <s>ask
                                      for
                                      more comments despite the fact
                                      that clearly</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">
                                    there was consensus among the
                                    submitted comments</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">,
                                    and reopening this topic</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> puts a great
                                    strain on
                                    a community of volunteers with
                                    limited time </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">and
                                    resources. <s> In parallel with the
                                      effectiveness of Policy
                                      Development
                                      Processes, the Board should also
                                      consider how many issues it
                                      re-opens and
                                      instructs the community to work
                                      on.</s> In future when reopening
                                    an issue for
                                    further input, w<s>W</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">e </span><s><span
                                      style="font-family:"Times New
                                      Roman",serif;color:red">also</span></s><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red"> </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">ask th</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">at<s>e</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">the</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> Board </span><s><span
                                      style="font-family:"Times New
                                      Roman",serif;color:red">to</span></s><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red"> </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">clearly state its
                                    method of gauging consensus </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">in <s>when</s></span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> evaluating
                                    public
                                    comment</span><s><span
                                      style="font-family:"Times New
                                      Roman",serif;color:red">s</span></s><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">
                                    submissions and outline
                                    why it believes additional input is
                                    required</span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif">.
                                  </span><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">Thank
                                    you. <s>Otherwise, it can
                                      arbitrarily
                                      re-open issues.</s></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">[1] <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html</a></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">[2] <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html</a></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif;color:red">[3] <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en</a></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Times New
                                    Roman",serif"> </span></p>
                                <div>Best wishes,</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Ayden</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <div><br>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div>On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:48,
                                        farzaneh badii <<a
                                          href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:</div>
                                      <br
class="gmail-m_-3473748315002655856gmail-m_7954375441590849199Apple-interchange-newline">
                                      <div>
                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                          <div
                                            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
                                            <div>Hi all,</div>
                                            <div>I wrote this paragraph
                                              to be added as an
                                              introduction to the
                                              resubmission of our
                                              comments. Please see
                                              below. Also I suggest
                                              Rafik share it with the
                                              mailing list after
                                              receiving your comments
                                              tomorrow. we have to
                                              submit on Friday.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>we are re-submitting
                                              our comments on the short
                                              term and long term review.
                                              We are surprised that the
                                              board <a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">(in
                                                OEC meeting)</a> decided
                                              that there was not enough
                                              consensus on short and
                                              long term reviews due to
                                              limited comments<a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"> (a
                                                total of 9 but from two
                                                ACs (ALAC and SSAC)</a> and
                                              Supporting organizations
                                              (GNSO and CCNSO) and most
                                              of  GNSO stakeholder
                                              groups and
                                              constituencies). The
                                              Board's decision to ask
                                              for more comments despite
                                              the fact that clearly
                                              there was consensus among
                                              the submitted comments
                                              puts a great strain on a
                                              community of volunteers
                                              with limited time.  In
                                              parallel with the
                                              effectiveness of Policy
                                              Development Processes, the
                                              Board should also consider
                                              how many issues it
                                              re-opens and instructs the
                                              community to work on. We
                                              also ask the Board to
                                              clearly state its method
                                              of gauging consensus when
                                              evaluating public
                                              comments. Otherwise, it
                                              can arbitrarily re-open
                                              issues.</div>
                                            <div
                                              style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div
                                              style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div
                                              style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div
                                              style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail-m_-3473748315002655856gmail-m_7954375441590849199gmail_signature">
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div><font
                                                    face="verdana,
                                                    sans-serif">Farzaneh
                                                  </font></div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
_______________________________________________<br>
                            NCSG-PC mailing list<br>
                            <a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
                            <a
                              href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
NCSG-PC mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
  </body>
</html>