<div><div dir="auto">Hi Rafik </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have no problem with including them but I can't do it myself before the deadline. I am on leave and will be back on Tuesday hopefully. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:15 PM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_6312121518758725443gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Farznaeh for the short draft. I reviewed the paper again and what it is suggesting as options. one issue is that some are not related to what we got mainly in the first paper about timelines:</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>1- proposed timeline for ATRT is something we can support. the ATRT will start its work on January 2019 and in fact, GNSO is confirming the selection (September Council meeting discussion). no issue here.</div><div>2- the proposed scope for ATRT to discuss "streamlining" specific reviews. that is of high concern as it is limit the de factiATRT scope and also impact other specific reviews. I think we should add a comment on that front to not prevent the ATRT from setting its own scope and what covers as areas such as review ATRT2 recommendations and linking to WS1&2 recommendations.</div><div>3- to "streamline" organizational review and starting a consultation process led by the board(OEC), no particular issue here in term of the process but we will see with what is proposed. the outcome will impact us directly as it concerns the GNSO review too that should start likely in 2020. one possible comment will be to avoid having the process as board and staff led only and ensure community full participation (they mention consultation but...)</div><div>4- operating standards for specific review, we missed commenting on the first draft, the concern would be about the ability to comment on the second draft and what is proposed here. for reminders the operating standards covered area like the scoping, formation and other operating procedures for review teams. one possible comment is to request that the second version of operating standards should go through a public comment and consultation e.g. public session.</div><div><br></div><div>do you think we can include those items?</div><div><br></div><div>let's share the current draft in NCSG list and I moved it to the google doc <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5n7qp3MdZ6XTao4bbfMLR5BrBlX-NQ_c9mu_cGLs1I/edit</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 4 oct. 2018 à 04:19, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks, Farzi. Please find below in red some suggested edits:<div><br></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group is <s>we are</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> re-submitting our comments </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">dated 31 July 2018
pertaining</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">on</span></s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red"> to</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> the </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">future of</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> short</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">-</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">term</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">[1] </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">and long</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">-</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">term</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">[2] specific and
organizational</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> review</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">s</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">. We </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">were <s>are</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">disappointed <s>surprised</s>
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">that the </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">B<s>b</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">oard </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">in its 10 August 2018 Organizational
Effectiveness Committee meeting[3] formed the view <s><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en" target="_blank"><span style="color:red">(in OEC meeting)</span></a> decided</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> that there was </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">insufficient <s>not enough</s>
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">consensus </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">to move forward.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">on short and long
term reviews due to limited comments<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:red"> (a total of 9 but from two ACs
(ALAC and SSAC)</span></a> and Supporting organizations (GNSO and CCNSO)
and most of GNSO stakeholder groups and constituencies).</span></s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> The Board's decision to </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">gather further community
input through an additional comment window is disappointing, because <s>ask for
more comments despite the fact that clearly</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
there was consensus among the submitted comments</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">,
and reopening this topic</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> puts a great strain on
a community of volunteers with limited time </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">and
resources. <s> In parallel with the effectiveness of Policy Development
Processes, the Board should also consider how many issues it re-opens and
instructs the community to work on.</s> In future when reopening an issue for
further input, w<s>W</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">e </span><s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">also</span></s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ask th</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">at<s>e</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">the</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> Board </span><s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">to</span></s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">clearly state its method of gauging consensus </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">in <s>when</s></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> evaluating public
comment</span><s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">s</span></s><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red"> submissions and outline
why it believes additional input is required</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">.
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">Thank you. <s>Otherwise, it can arbitrarily
re-open issues.</s><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">[1] <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000009.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">[2] <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-14may18/2018q3/000007.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">[3] <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Ayden</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:48, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_6312121518758725443gmail-m_7954375441590849199Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div>Hi all,</div><div>I wrote this paragraph to be added as an introduction to the resubmission of our comments. Please see below. Also I suggest Rafik share it with the mailing list after receiving your comments tomorrow. we have to submit on Friday.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>we are re-submitting our comments on the short term and long term review. We are surprised that the board <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/minutes-oec-2018-08-10-en" target="_blank">(in OEC meeting)</a> decided that there was not enough consensus on short and long term reviews due to limited comments<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-reviews-long-term-timeline-16aug18-en.pdf" target="_blank"> (a total of 9 but from two ACs (ALAC and SSAC)</a> and Supporting organizations (GNSO and CCNSO) and most of GNSO stakeholder groups and constituencies). The Board's decision to ask for more comments despite the fact that clearly there was consensus among the submitted comments puts a great strain on a community of volunteers with limited time. In parallel with the effectiveness of Policy Development Processes, the Board should also consider how many issues it re-opens and instructs the community to work on. We also ask the Board to clearly state its method of gauging consensus when evaluating public comments. Otherwise, it can arbitrarily re-open issues.</div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_6312121518758725443gmail-m_7954375441590849199gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></div>
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