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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Yes, as I said I was
conflating the two meetings....I was extremely sick after I
got there, had a really bad fever. Missed some of the GNSO
meeting and was not so perky during the intercessional.....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I do share a lot of
Ayden's concerns though. YEs we need people to work on it,
yes the BC will be up to its usual tricks, but we still need
to try to get together with these guys and develop better
relationships.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-24 08:38, farzaneh badii
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<div dir="auto">You are talking about the council strategic
meeting Stephanie. Are you still supporting the intersessional
for NCPH? And you found it useful? </div>
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<div dir="auto">Well you'll be the chair of NCSG and have to
prepare it. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Also note that ncsg only gets 7 slots. Npoc and
ncuc will have 7 each. Selection cannot happen all at sg level
and you will be bringing tourists around. That's what I have to
say. Anyhow if csg altogether says biennial then we are done
here. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 8:18 AM Stephanie
Perrin <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">(I realized
after I pushed send that I was conflating the two
events there....but I do think it was useful)</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-8175599988880483257moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-08-24 08:12, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have to
say that the last intercessional was excellent,
and we got a lot done. Earlier ones had been much
less successful, and I think coloured our
responses. I know we are all busy, but I think we
are asking for trouble in the GNSO review if we
lose the momentum established under Heather's
chairmanship (I would even perhaps invite her back
to chair, as she invited Jonathan).</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-8175599988880483257moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-08-24 04:50, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hi,
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<div>There was also an extensive discussion on the
Google Doc when the comment was drafted, and there
was significant support from NCSG members for an
annual intersessional. Yes, there were some
objections raised, which is why our comment was
silent on the future of the intersessional. I do
note that participation is optional and no one is
forced to attend the intersessional if they do not
consider it to be a productive use of their time.
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<div class="gmail_default"
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we ask for a transfer? since this is a part
of the core budget it might be possible.</div>
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<div>That won’t happen.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>What will happen is this $100,000 that won’t be
spent will be presented as an operational
efficiency, as though ICANN staff have made some
great sacrifice to replenish the reserve fund. We
saw that happen with the cuts to CROP; it is being
presented as though the spend on staff travel has
decreased, when really, a good chunk of the
decrease in spending has come from a reduction in
community support.</div>
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</div>
<div>No intersessional won’t stop the BC or IPC from
lobbying ICANN staff; they are often in DC or Los
Angeles. It will hurt the NCSG however.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would oppose an intersessional that was
anything like this year’s one; we need to think
carefully about who we are inviting, and not just
inviting those in leadership positions. I think we
should be allocating the 21 slots as a stakeholder
group and bringing in the right max of active
participants.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
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<div>On 24 Aug 2018, at 06:03, farzaneh badii
<<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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had the impression that we had said in
our comment on budget that we do the
intersessional every "other" year. Based
on the thread below, which Rafik,
Tatiana, Milton had supported every
other year and mentioned it. But seems
like you decided to delete the
paragraph altogether and I did not
personally respond to add it back in and
support every other year. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Is
ICANN giving us 100,000 USD to go to
events that we have done so well so far?
RightsCon, IGF etc? No. It is throwing
bad money after bad. Can we ask for a
transfer? since this is a part of the
core budget it might be possible.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">No
one on post intersessional mailing list
was meaningfully active, responding to
staff questions and commenting (other
than you). Rarely there were any
substantive comments that added to the
report etc. And we spent a lot of time
planning the last year's
intersessional but it does not get any
better. We have made more progress
procedural wise, via email than we have
done during these meetings. Also we have
to always put out fire in these
meetings. It is exhausting. I won't be
chair anymore so I won't even be obliged
to go but I have a tip. as long as
those who take the survey and say it was
great but don't even weigh in on simple
questions on mailing list, are not
involved with working group to have an
understanding of dynamics, do not have a
basic understanding of NCPH and do not
try to understand, then I think
intersessional is just good for some to
travel. For others it's a lot of work.
Intersessional is not a learning
opportunity. It's a battlefield. Lets
bring it on every other year than facing
it every year with only a very small
number contributing and a very large
number just traveling (on both
stakeholder groups).</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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From: <strong
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dir="auto">Ayden Férdeline</strong> <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:57 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft]
Proposed NCSG Comment on the FY19
Budget<br>
To: Rafik Dammak <<a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<<a
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>,
Milton Mueller <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
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<div>Thanks for your comments on the
Budget in the Google Doc, Rafik;
I've replied directly and done my
best to resolve your concerns. In
particular please note the re-worded
paragraph # 9 (constituency
travellers). I'll put your question
in #6 to Xavier on Monday when the
[GNSO Council] Standing Committee on
Budget and Operations has its next
call with Finance.<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have now removed the paragraph
about the Intersessional, as perhaps
it is better to be silent here
rather than to praise something
which may not have widespread
support. This year's Intersessional
was a trainwreck but I do think this
is a disaster we have to own. Last
year's Intersessional was brilliant.
What was the difference? It wasn't
content (as you said Rafik, the
content rarely changes), but I do
think it was the participant mix.
Our 'side' was too silent at this
year's meeting and we didn't have
enough strong voices to counter the
perspectives being shared by the
CSG. When I think back to Reykjavik,
I remember how great it was having
Kathy and others engaging in real
debates with the CSG. I didn't see
enough of that this year; I cannot
even think of any action items that
came out of the forum. With the
suggestion circulating (at least
during the Council's Strategic
Planning Session) that we may need
to go down from 3 to 2 ICANN public
meetings per year for budgetary
reasons, and may want to tie a
Council meeting in with the GDD
Summit, I am reluctant to relinquish
any support allocated to us that has
made the core budget. But perhaps we
could advocate tying the
Intersessional in with the GDD
Summit, an idea floated last year? I
could see real benefits to that; on
some issues, the contracted parties
are our allies...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another thing: the Additional
Budget Requests (ABRs). I made the
point in this comment that I think
it is wrong to cut this community
support, because I feel very
strongly that to make small cuts
here which impact us, without
tackling structural issues where the
real costs lie, is the wrong
approach. But how on earth could we
expect ICANN to approve some of
them? Some which 'we' submitted are
genuinely embarrassing and would be
an inappropriate use of funds if
approved. I have not said anything
on the main mailing list BUT ones
like this, i.e. an <a
href="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html"
title="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">NCUC board
game</a>, should never have been
submitted (in my opinion) and harm
our reputation. Their submission was
an Executive decision made without
public consultation on the
discussion list. I don't want this
to sound like an attack against
anyone, as that is not my intention,
but I think we need to do some kind
of internal reflection before
submitting requests. This request
for a board game will be seen by the
entire community, will be mocked,
and let's be real, won't be approved
(nor should it!). Why do this to our
reputation?<br>
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<div>Ayden <br>
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<div>On 9 February 2018 8:07 AM, Rafik
Dammak <<a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br>
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</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">thanks
for the draft which is coming at
a good time and allow us to work
on it without pressure,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>about the
intercessional which is a
separate topic not necessarily
related to the budget, I am
for an evaluation and
assessment. I am not that
convinced that issues were a
matter of planning. The
content is almost the same
every year, just with small
changes of few topics. I think
after 5 years or more, it is a
good time to review and think
about improvement. I believe
our CSG friends will be open
and welcome that. Organizing
it every other year can
provide that opportunity and
possibility for real change. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will review the budget
and add my comments there.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
</div>
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<div>2018-02-09 6:21 GMT+09:00
Ayden Férdeline <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>I think this year's
Intersessional was
unsuccessful, partially
because of insufficient
planning on our part, as
well as the wrong
delegates being in
attendance. But I do think
the concept itself is a
good one and one which
should continue. I am
happy to remove this
paragraph from the
document altogether,
however, if we do not have
a common agreement on
their value. I don't think
it ranks among our most
pressing concerns!<br>
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<div>On 8 February 2018
10:14 PM, Dr. Tatiana
Tropina <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>I am one of those
who questions the
value of the
intersessionals.<br>
</p>
<p>I won't support
continuing them
every year. Every
other year is a
compromise I can
accept.<br>
</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>
</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
</p>
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<div
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08/02/18 20:14,
Mueller, Milton L
wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11pt">Ayden</span></span></span><br>
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style="font-size:11pt">I’ve
had a chance
to read your
comments and
congratulate
you on doing
so much work
to go through
the budget and
prepare an
intelligent
evaluation of
it.</span></span></span><br>
</p>
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style="font-size:11pt">I
agree with
most of the
comments but
propose a few
minor
amendments
here and
there, which I
will put onto
the Google doc
using suggest
mode.</span></span></span><br>
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style="font-size:11pt">The
only point of
disagreement
is #17 your
support for
continued
intersessionals.
I don’t think
there is
consensus on
that and in
fact after the
last one I
heard several
people who
supported them
question their
value or
frequency. A
good middle
ground might
be to have
them once
every other
year.</span></span></span><br>
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style="font-size:11pt">Anyway,
I’ll enter my
comments on
the doc.</span></span></span><br>
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Férdeline [<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
February 8,
2018 7:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ncsg-pc <a
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Mueller,
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<b>Subject:</b> [Draft]
Proposed NCSG
Comment on the
FY19 Budget</span></span></p>
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all,<br>
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<div>
<p
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have prepared
a first draft
of a proposed
NCSG comment
on the FY19
budget. This
took quite
some time to
comb through,
and I might
have missed
some things.
So before I
share this
comment on the
main
discussion
list and face
the inevitable
wrath of
criticism and
dislike, I
thought I
might share it
here to get
some initial
feedback. I
have also cc'd
in a few other
people who
might not be
on this
mailing list
but who I
think might be
able to offer
some
constructive
edits on its
contents: <br>
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<p
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<p
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thanks for
your help,<br>
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<p
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Carlos, if one
sentence looks
familiar, it's
because I
copied and
pasted it from
an email you
sent to the
NCSG list last
year re: our
Reserve Fund
comment. I
hope this is
okay. Thanks!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at
7:46 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a
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target="_blank"
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<div>The community has suffered cut
after cut and we have been directly
impacted. We have next to no budget
for capacity building this fiscal
year, and CROP has become useless,
as it can only be used for
ICANN-sponsored events and ICANN
refuses to provide a list of them.
And we are about to throw away
$100,000 that actually was allocated
to us for an intersessional? This is
crazy; we should improve it, make it
work. And I definitely think we
should be consulting with members to
develop our position here. </div>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 01:42,
Rafik Dammak <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I made my opinion based on
all the intersessionals since
the beginning not just the
last ones. I am also cautious
to think that is "people"
issue as it is usually the
easy way to ignore other
causes and problems.</div>
<div>again I dont see any
lasting outcome from
intercessional including
iceland. even a topic like
Board seat election was only
fixed this year and the work
done by email and with a small
group.</div>
<div>I think it is a good time
to review.</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Rafik <br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le ven. 24
août 2018 à 08:35, Ayden
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<div>I think we should
discuss this with the
entire membership before
we rule it out. I think
the intersessional has
value. It was not the
best this year, but we
invited the wrong
people. The Iceland
intersessional was
extremely productive. We
should return to that
format. And discuss who
to invite.</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Ayden </div>
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at 01:29, Rafik Dammak
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Ayden,
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I don't see how
things can be
improve. the same
timeframe issue is
still there and
make it impossible
to make any
substantial change
in format or even
topics.</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Rafik</div>
<div> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le ven.
24 août 2018
à 08:20, Ayden
Férdeline <<a
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<div>Strategically
I think it is
a mistake to
turn down this
support. We
have this
resource
allocated in
the budget.
Why not
improve it for
2019? We won’t
get it in 2020
if we decline
the resource
this fiscal
year. </div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Ayden</div>
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<div>Hi
Farzaneh,</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>yes
holding in
2020 will give
more time to
rethink the
format and the
objectives of
the
intercessional.
we got to
review it,
holding such
meeting for
sake of
holding makes
no sense.</div>
<div>I don't
recall any
lasting
outcome from
the
intersessional
and we works
with CSG when
needed outside
that meeting.</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Rafik</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le ven.
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à 07:55,
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As
we agreed in
our comment,
it is better
to have the
intersessional
meeting every
two years.
today the gnso
team contacted
the chairs to
know their
opinion about
holding the
intersessional
Joan and i
said that it
should be
every two
years(based on
our previous
deliberation
with the
group) </div>
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dir="auto"> <br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"
dir="auto">So
this means we
should discuss
holding it for
2020 and no
intersessional
in 2019. </div>
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