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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">(I realized after I
          pushed send that I was conflating the two events there....but
          I do think it was useful)</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-24 08:12, Stephanie Perrin
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      <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have to say that
            the last intercessional was excellent, and we got a lot
            done.  Earlier ones had been much less successful, and I
            think coloured our responses.  I know we are all busy, but I
            think we are asking for trouble in the GNSO review if we
            lose the momentum established under Heather's chairmanship
            (I would even perhaps invite her back to chair, as she
            invited Jonathan).</font></font></p>
      <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-24 04:50, Ayden Férdeline
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        Hi,
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        <div class="">There was also an extensive discussion on the
          Google Doc when the comment was drafted, and there was
          significant support from NCSG members for an annual
          intersessional. Yes, there were some objections raised, which
          is why our comment was silent on the future of the
          intersessional. I do note that participation is optional and
          no one is forced to attend the intersessional if they do not
          consider it to be a productive use of their time.
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                  verdana,&#xA; sans-serif;">Can we ask for a transfer?
                  since this is a part of the core budget it might be
                  possible.</div>
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          <div class="">That won’t happen.</div>
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          <div class="">What will happen is this $100,000 that won’t be
            spent will be presented as an operational efficiency, as
            though ICANN staff have made some great sacrifice to
            replenish the reserve fund. We saw that happen with the cuts
            to CROP; it is being presented as though the spend on staff
            travel has decreased, when really, a good chunk of the
            decrease in spending has come from a reduction in community
            support.</div>
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          <div class="">No intersessional won’t stop the BC or IPC from
            lobbying ICANN staff; they are often in DC or Los Angeles.
            It will hurt the NCSG however.</div>
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          <div class="">I would oppose an intersessional that was
            anything like this year’s one; we need to think carefully
            about who we are inviting, and not just inviting those in
            leadership positions. I think we should be allocating the 21
            slots as a stakeholder group and bringing in the right max
            of active participants.</div>
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          <div class="">Best wishes,</div>
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                      style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I had the
                      impression that we had said in our comment on
                      budget that we do the intersessional every "other"
                      year. Based on the thread below, which Rafik,
                      Tatiana, Milton had supported every other year 
                      and mentioned it. But seems like you  decided to
                      delete the paragraph altogether and I did not
                      personally respond to add it back in and support
                      every other year. </div>
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                      style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Is ICANN
                      giving us 100,000 USD to go to events that we have
                      done so well so far? RightsCon, IGF etc? No. It is
                      throwing bad money after bad. Can we ask for a
                      transfer? since this is a part of the core budget
                      it might be possible.</div>
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                      style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">No one on
                      post intersessional mailing list was meaningfully
                      active,   responding to staff questions and
                      commenting (other than you). Rarely there were any
                      substantive comments that added to the report etc.
                      And we spent a lot of time planning the last
                      year's intersessional  but it does not get any
                      better. We have made more progress procedural
                      wise, via email than we have  done during these
                      meetings. Also we have to always put out fire in
                      these meetings. It is exhausting. I won't be chair
                      anymore so I won't even be obliged to go but I
                      have a tip.  as long as those who take the survey
                      and say it was great but don't even weigh in on
                      simple questions on mailing list, are not involved
                      with working group to have an understanding of
                      dynamics, do not have a basic understanding of
                      NCPH and do not try to understand, then I think
                      intersessional is just good for some to travel.
                      For others it's a lot of work. Intersessional is
                      not a learning opportunity. It's a battlefield.
                      Lets bring it on every other year than facing it
                      every year with only a very small number
                      contributing and a very large number just
                      traveling (on both stakeholder groups).</div>
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                            dir="auto">Ayden Férdeline</strong> <span
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                          Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:57 AM<br class="">
                          Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Proposed NCSG
                          Comment on the FY19 Budget<br class="">
                          To: Rafik Dammak <<a
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                            class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br
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                          Cc: <a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
                            class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
                          <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
                            class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>,
                          Milton Mueller <<a
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                        <div class="">Thanks for your comments on the
                          Budget in the Google Doc, Rafik; I've replied
                          directly and done my best to resolve your
                          concerns. In particular please note the
                          re-worded paragraph # 9 (constituency
                          travellers). I'll put your question in #6 to
                          Xavier on Monday when the [GNSO Council]
                          Standing Committee on Budget and Operations
                          has its next call with Finance.<br class="">
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                        <div class="">I have now removed the paragraph
                          about the Intersessional, as perhaps it is
                          better to be silent here rather than to praise
                          something which may not have widespread
                          support. This year's Intersessional was a
                          trainwreck but I do think this is a disaster
                          we have to own. Last year's Intersessional was
                          brilliant. What was the difference? It wasn't
                          content (as you said Rafik, the content rarely
                          changes), but I do think it was the
                          participant mix. Our 'side' was too silent at
                          this year's meeting and we didn't have enough
                          strong voices to counter the perspectives
                          being shared by the CSG. When I think back to
                          Reykjavik, I remember how great it was having
                          Kathy and others engaging in real debates with
                          the CSG. I didn't see enough of that this
                          year; I cannot even think of any action items
                          that came out of the forum. With the
                          suggestion circulating (at least during the
                          Council's Strategic Planning Session) that we
                          may need to go down from 3 to 2 ICANN public
                          meetings per year for budgetary reasons, and
                          may want to tie a Council meeting in with the
                          GDD Summit, I am reluctant to relinquish any
                          support allocated to us that has made the core
                          budget. But perhaps we could advocate tying
                          the Intersessional in with the GDD Summit, an
                          idea floated last year? I could see real
                          benefits to that; on some issues, the
                          contracted parties are our allies...<br
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                        <div class="">Another thing: the Additional
                          Budget Requests (ABRs). I made the point in
                          this comment that I think it is wrong to cut
                          this community support, because I feel very
                          strongly that to make small cuts here which
                          impact us, without tackling structural issues
                          where the real costs lie, is the wrong
                          approach. But how on earth could we expect
                          ICANN to approve some of them? Some which 'we'
                          submitted are genuinely embarrassing and would
                          be an inappropriate use of funds if approved.
                          I have not said anything on the main mailing
                          list BUT ones like this, i.e. an <a
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                            moz-do-not-send="true">NCUC board game</a>,
                          should never have been submitted (in my
                          opinion) and harm our reputation. Their
                          submission was an Executive decision made
                          without public consultation on the discussion
                          list. I don't want this to sound like an
                          attack against anyone, as that is not my
                          intention, but I think we need to do some kind
                          of internal reflection before submitting
                          requests. This request for a board game will
                          be seen by the entire community, will be
                          mocked, and let's be real, won't be approved
                          (nor should it!). Why do this to our
                          reputation?<br class="">
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                        <div class="">On 9 February 2018 8:07 AM, Rafik
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                            <div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br
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                            <div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the
                              draft which is coming at a good time and
                              allow us to work on it without pressure,<br
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                              <div class="">about the
                                intercessional which is a separate topic
                                not necessarily related to the budget, I
                                am for an evaluation and assessment. I
                                am not that convinced that issues were a
                                matter of planning. The content is
                                almost the same every year, just with
                                small changes of few topics. I think
                                after 5 years or more, it is a good time
                                to review and think about improvement. I
                                believe our CSG friends will be open and
                                welcome that. Organizing it every other
                                year can provide that opportunity and
                                possibility for real change. <br
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                              <div class="">I will review the budget and
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                                <div class="">2018-02-09 6:21 GMT+09:00
                                  Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"
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                                  <div class="">I think this year's
                                    Intersessional was unsuccessful,
                                    partially because of insufficient
                                    planning on our part, as well as the
                                    wrong delegates being in attendance.
                                    But I do think the concept itself is
                                    a good one and one which should
                                    continue. I am happy to remove this
                                    paragraph from the document
                                    altogether, however, if we do not
                                    have a common agreement on their
                                    value. I don't think it ranks among
                                    our most pressing concerns!<br
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                                      <div class="">On 8 February 2018
                                        10:14 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina
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                                        <p class="">I am one of those
                                          who questions the value of the
                                          intersessionals.<br class="">
                                        </p>
                                        <p class="">I won't support
                                          continuing them every year.
                                          Every other year is a
                                          compromise I can accept.<br
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                                        <p class="">Cheers,<br class="">
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                                        <p class="">Tanya <br class="">
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class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-cite-prefix">On
                                          08/02/18 20:14, Mueller,
                                          Milton L wrote:<br class="">
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
                                                    class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size"
style="font-size:11pt">Ayden</span></span></span><br class="">
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style="font-size:11pt">I’ve had a chance to read your comments and
                                                    congratulate you on
                                                    doing so much work
                                                    to go through the
                                                    budget and prepare
                                                    an intelligent
                                                    evaluation of it.</span></span></span><br
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style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
                                                    class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size"
style="font-size:11pt">I agree with most of the comments but propose a
                                                    few minor amendments
                                                    here and there,
                                                    which I will put
                                                    onto the Google doc
                                                    using suggest mode.</span></span></span><br
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
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style="font-size:11pt">The only point of disagreement is #17 your
                                                    support for
                                                    continued
                                                    intersessionals. I
                                                    don’t think there is
                                                    consensus on that
                                                    and in fact after
                                                    the last one I heard
                                                    several people who
                                                    supported them
                                                    question their value
                                                    or frequency. A good
                                                    middle ground might
                                                    be to have them once
                                                    every other year.</span></span></span><br
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style="font-size:11pt">Anyway, I’ll enter my comments on the doc.</span></span></span><br
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style="font-size:11pt">Dr. Milton L Mueller</span></span></span><br
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
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style="font-size:11pt"> Ayden Férdeline [<a
class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>] <br
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                                                        <b class="">Sent:</b> Thursday,
                                                        February 8, 2018
                                                        7:27 AM<br
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                                                        <b class="">To:</b> ncsg-pc <a
class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a>;
                                                        Mueller, Milton
                                                        L <a
class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><milton@gatech.edu></a>; <a
class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">crg@ISOC-CR.ORG</a>; <a
class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM</a>;
                                                        Corinne Cath <a
class="gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com" target="_blank"
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                                                        <b class="">Subject:</b> [Draft]
                                                        Proposed NCSG
                                                        Comment on the
                                                        FY19 Budget</span></span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                  all,<br class="">
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                  have prepared a first
                                                  draft of a proposed
                                                  NCSG comment on the
                                                  FY19 budget. This took
                                                  quite some time to
                                                  comb through, and I
                                                  might have missed some
                                                  things. So before I
                                                  share this comment on
                                                  the main discussion
                                                  list and face the
                                                  inevitable wrath of
                                                  criticism and dislike,
                                                  I thought I might
                                                  share it here to get
                                                  some initial feedback.
                                                  I have also cc'd in a
                                                  few other people who
                                                  might not be on this
                                                  mailing list but who I
                                                  think might be able to
                                                  offer some
                                                  constructive edits on
                                                  its contents: <br
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                                                  thanks for your help,<br
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Ayden<br
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">P.S.
                                                  Carlos, if one
                                                  sentence looks
                                                  familiar, it's because
                                                  I copied and pasted it
                                                  from an email you sent
                                                  to the NCSG list last
                                                  year re: our Reserve
                                                  Fund comment. I hope
                                                  this is okay. Thanks!<br
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at
                        7:46 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a
                          href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class=""
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                        <div class="">The community has suffered cut
                          after cut and we have been directly impacted.
                          We have next to no budget for capacity
                          building this fiscal year, and CROP has become
                          useless, as it can only be used for
                          ICANN-sponsored events and ICANN refuses to
                          provide a list of them. And we are about to
                          throw away $100,000 that actually was
                          allocated to us for an intersessional? This is
                          crazy; we should improve it, make it work. And
                          I definitely think we should be
                          consulting with members to develop our
                          position here. </div>
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                        <div class="">Ayden</div>
                        <div class=""> <br class="">
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                            On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 01:42, Rafik Dammak
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="">Hi,
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                              <div class="">I made my opinion based on
                                all the intersessionals since the
                                beginning not just the last ones. I am
                                also cautious to think that is "people"
                                issue as it is usually the easy way to
                                ignore other causes and problems.</div>
                              <div class="">again I dont see any lasting
                                outcome from intercessional including
                                iceland. even a topic like Board seat
                                election was only fixed this year and
                                the work done by email and with a small
                                group.</div>
                              <div class="">I think it is a good time to
                                review.</div>
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                              </div>
                              <div class="">Best,</div>
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                              <div class="">Rafik  <br class="">
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="">Le ven. 24
                                    août 2018 à 08:35, Ayden Férdeline
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                                    <div class="">I think we should
                                      discuss this with the entire
                                      membership before we rule it out.
                                      I think the intersessional has
                                      value. It was not the best this
                                      year, but we invited the wrong
                                      people. The Iceland
                                      intersessional was extremely
                                      productive. We should return to
                                      that format. And discuss who to
                                      invite.</div>
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                                        On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 01:29,
                                        Rafik Dammak <<a
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                                          Ayden,
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                                          <div class="">I don't see how
                                            things can be improve. the
                                            same timeframe issue is
                                            still there and make it
                                            impossible to make any
                                            substantial change in format
                                            or even topics.</div>
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                                          <div class="">Best,</div>
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                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">Rafik</div>
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                                              <div dir="ltr" class="">Le ven.
                                                24 août 2018 à 08:20,
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                                                  I think it is a
                                                  mistake to turn down
                                                  this support. We have
                                                  this resource
                                                  allocated in the
                                                  budget. Why not
                                                  improve it for 2019?
                                                  We won’t get it in
                                                  2020 if we decline the
                                                  resource this fiscal
                                                  year. </div>
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                                                    On Fri, Aug 24, 2018
                                                    at 01:12, Rafik
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                                                          Farzaneh,</div>
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                                                          <div class="">yes
                                                          holding in
                                                          2020 will give
                                                          more time to
                                                          rethink the
                                                          format and the
                                                          objectives  of
                                                          the
                                                          intercessional.
                                                          we got to
                                                          review it,
                                                          holding such
                                                          meeting for
                                                          sake of
                                                          holding makes
                                                          no sense.</div>
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          don't recall
                                                          any lasting
                                                          outcome from
                                                          the
                                                          intersessional
                                                          and we works
                                                          with CSG when
                                                          needed outside
                                                          that meeting.</div>
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                                                          <div class="">Best,</div>
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                                                          <div class="">Rafik</div>
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                                                          class="">Le ven.
                                                          24 août 2018
                                                          à 07:55,
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                                                          class="">As we
                                                          agreed in our
                                                          comment, it is
                                                          better to have
                                                          the
                                                          intersessional
                                                          meeting every
                                                          two years.
                                                          today the gnso
                                                          team contacted
                                                          the chairs to
                                                          know their
                                                          opinion about
                                                          holding the
                                                          intersessional
                                                          Joan and i
                                                          said that it
                                                          should be
                                                          every two
                                                          years(based on
                                                          our previous
                                                          deliberation
                                                          with the
                                                          group) </div>
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                                                          class="">So
                                                          this means we
                                                          should discuss
                                                          holding it for
                                                          2020 and no
                                                          intersessional
                                                          in 2019. </div>
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