<div><div dir="auto">You are talking about the council strategic meeting Stephanie. Are you still supporting the intersessional for NCPH? And you found it useful? </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Well you'll be the chair of NCSG and have to prepare it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also note that ncsg only gets 7 slots. Npoc and ncuc will have 7 each. Selection cannot happen all at sg level and you will be bringing tourists around. That's what I have to say. Anyhow if csg altogether says biennial then we are done here. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 8:18 AM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">(I realized after I
pushed send that I was conflating the two events there....but
I do think it was useful)</font></font></p></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-8175599988880483257moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-24 08:12, Stephanie Perrin
wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have to say that
the last intercessional was excellent, and we got a lot
done. Earlier ones had been much less successful, and I
think coloured our responses. I know we are all busy, but I
think we are asking for trouble in the GNSO review if we
lose the momentum established under Heather's chairmanship
(I would even perhaps invite her back to chair, as she
invited Jonathan).</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-8175599988880483257moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-24 04:50, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There was also an extensive discussion on the
Google Doc when the comment was drafted, and there was
significant support from NCSG members for an annual
intersessional. Yes, there were some objections raised, which
is why our comment was silent on the future of the
intersessional. I do note that participation is optional and
no one is forced to attend the intersessional if they do not
consider it to be a productive use of their time.
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Can we ask for a transfer?
since this is a part of the core budget it might be
possible.</div>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That won’t happen.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What will happen is this $100,000 that won’t be
spent will be presented as an operational efficiency, as
though ICANN staff have made some great sacrifice to
replenish the reserve fund. We saw that happen with the cuts
to CROP; it is being presented as though the spend on staff
travel has decreased, when really, a good chunk of the
decrease in spending has come from a reduction in community
support.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>No intersessional won’t stop the BC or IPC from
lobbying ICANN staff; they are often in DC or Los Angeles.
It will hurt the NCSG however.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would oppose an intersessional that was
anything like this year’s one; we need to think carefully
about who we are inviting, and not just inviting those in
leadership positions. I think we should be allocating the 21
slots as a stakeholder group and bringing in the right max
of active participants.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On 24 Aug 2018, at 06:03, farzaneh badii
<<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ayden, </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I had the
impression that we had said in our comment on
budget that we do the intersessional every "other"
year. Based on the thread below, which Rafik,
Tatiana, Milton had supported every other year
and mentioned it. But seems like you decided to
delete the paragraph altogether and I did not
personally respond to add it back in and support
every other year. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Is ICANN
giving us 100,000 USD to go to events that we have
done so well so far? RightsCon, IGF etc? No. It is
throwing bad money after bad. Can we ask for a
transfer? since this is a part of the core budget
it might be possible.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">No one on
post intersessional mailing list was meaningfully
active, responding to staff questions and
commenting (other than you). Rarely there were any
substantive comments that added to the report etc.
And we spent a lot of time planning the last
year's intersessional but it does not get any
better. We have made more progress procedural
wise, via email than we have done during these
meetings. Also we have to always put out fire in
these meetings. It is exhausting. I won't be chair
anymore so I won't even be obliged to go but I
have a tip. as long as those who take the survey
and say it was great but don't even weigh in on
simple questions on mailing list, are not involved
with working group to have an understanding of
dynamics, do not have a basic understanding of
NCPH and do not try to understand, then I think
intersessional is just good for some to travel.
For others it's a lot of work. Intersessional is
not a learning opportunity. It's a battlefield.
Lets bring it on every other year than facing it
every year with only a very small number
contributing and a very large number just
traveling (on both stakeholder groups).</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div>
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Farzaneh</font></div>
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From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Ayden Férdeline</strong> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:57 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Proposed NCSG
Comment on the FY19 Budget<br>
To: Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>,
Milton Mueller <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div>Thanks for your comments on the
Budget in the Google Doc, Rafik; I've replied
directly and done my best to resolve your
concerns. In particular please note the
re-worded paragraph # 9 (constituency
travellers). I'll put your question in #6 to
Xavier on Monday when the [GNSO Council]
Standing Committee on Budget and Operations
has its next call with Finance.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have now removed the paragraph
about the Intersessional, as perhaps it is
better to be silent here rather than to praise
something which may not have widespread
support. This year's Intersessional was a
trainwreck but I do think this is a disaster
we have to own. Last year's Intersessional was
brilliant. What was the difference? It wasn't
content (as you said Rafik, the content rarely
changes), but I do think it was the
participant mix. Our 'side' was too silent at
this year's meeting and we didn't have enough
strong voices to counter the perspectives
being shared by the CSG. When I think back to
Reykjavik, I remember how great it was having
Kathy and others engaging in real debates with
the CSG. I didn't see enough of that this
year; I cannot even think of any action items
that came out of the forum. With the
suggestion circulating (at least during the
Council's Strategic Planning Session) that we
may need to go down from 3 to 2 ICANN public
meetings per year for budgetary reasons, and
may want to tie a Council meeting in with the
GDD Summit, I am reluctant to relinquish any
support allocated to us that has made the core
budget. But perhaps we could advocate tying
the Intersessional in with the GDD Summit, an
idea floated last year? I could see real
benefits to that; on some issues, the
contracted parties are our allies...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another thing: the Additional
Budget Requests (ABRs). I made the point in
this comment that I think it is wrong to cut
this community support, because I feel very
strongly that to make small cuts here which
impact us, without tackling structural issues
where the real costs lie, is the wrong
approach. But how on earth could we expect
ICANN to approve some of them? Some which 'we'
submitted are genuinely embarrassing and would
be an inappropriate use of funds if approved.
I have not said anything on the main mailing
list BUT ones like this, i.e. an <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html" title="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NCUC board game</a>,
should never have been submitted (in my
opinion) and harm our reputation. Their
submission was an Executive decision made
without public consultation on the discussion
list. I don't want this to sound like an
attack against anyone, as that is not my
intention, but I think we need to do some kind
of internal reflection before submitting
requests. This request for a board game will
be seen by the entire community, will be
mocked, and let's be real, won't be approved
(nor should it!). Why do this to our
reputation?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>Ayden <br>
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<div>On 9 February 2018 8:07 AM, Rafik
Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the
draft which is coming at a good time and
allow us to work on it without pressure,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>about the
intercessional which is a separate topic
not necessarily related to the budget, I
am for an evaluation and assessment. I
am not that convinced that issues were a
matter of planning. The content is
almost the same every year, just with
small changes of few topics. I think
after 5 years or more, it is a good time
to review and think about improvement. I
believe our CSG friends will be open and
welcome that. Organizing it every other
year can provide that opportunity and
possibility for real change. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will review the budget and
add my comments there.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>2018-02-09 6:21 GMT+09:00
Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br>
</div>
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<div>I think this year's
Intersessional was unsuccessful,
partially because of insufficient
planning on our part, as well as the
wrong delegates being in attendance.
But I do think the concept itself is
a good one and one which should
continue. I am happy to remove this
paragraph from the document
altogether, however, if we do not
have a common agreement on their
value. I don't think it ranks among
our most pressing concerns!<br>
</div>
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<div>Ayden <br>
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<div>On 8 February 2018
10:14 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina
<<a href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de" target="_blank">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<p>I am one of those
who questions the value of the
intersessionals.<br>
</p>
<p>I won't support
continuing them every year.
Every other year is a
compromise I can accept.<br>
</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>
</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-cite-prefix">On
08/02/18 20:14, Mueller,
Milton L wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">Ayden</span></span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">I’ve had a chance to read your comments and
congratulate you on
doing so much work
to go through the
budget and prepare
an intelligent
evaluation of it.</span></span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">I agree with most of the comments but propose a
few minor amendments
here and there,
which I will put
onto the Google doc
using suggest mode.</span></span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-8175599988880483257gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">The only point of disagreement is #17 your
support for
continued
intersessionals. I
don’t think there is
consensus on that
and in fact after
the last one I heard
several people who
supported them
question their value
or frequency. A good
middle ground might
be to have them once
every other year.</span></span></span><br>
</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
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<b>Subject:</b> [Draft]
Proposed NCSG
Comment on the
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all,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
have prepared a first
draft of a proposed
NCSG comment on the
FY19 budget. This took
quite some time to
comb through, and I
might have missed some
things. So before I
share this comment on
the main discussion
list and face the
inevitable wrath of
criticism and dislike,
I thought I might
share it here to get
some initial feedback.
I have also cc'd in a
few other people who
might not be on this
mailing list but who I
think might be able to
offer some
constructive edits on
its contents: <br>
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thanks for your help,<br>
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Carlos, if one
sentence looks
familiar, it's because
I copied and pasted it
from an email you sent
to the NCSG list last
year re: our Reserve
Fund comment. I hope
this is okay. Thanks!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at
7:46 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>The community has suffered cut
after cut and we have been directly impacted.
We have next to no budget for capacity
building this fiscal year, and CROP has become
useless, as it can only be used for
ICANN-sponsored events and ICANN refuses to
provide a list of them. And we are about to
throw away $100,000 that actually was
allocated to us for an intersessional? This is
crazy; we should improve it, make it work. And
I definitely think we should be
consulting with members to develop our
position here. </div>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 01:42, Rafik Dammak
<<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div> <br>
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<div>I made my opinion based on
all the intersessionals since the
beginning not just the last ones. I am
also cautious to think that is "people"
issue as it is usually the easy way to
ignore other causes and problems.</div>
<div>again I dont see any lasting
outcome from intercessional including
iceland. even a topic like Board seat
election was only fixed this year and
the work done by email and with a small
group.</div>
<div>I think it is a good time to
review.</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Rafik <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le ven. 24
août 2018 à 08:35, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>I think we should
discuss this with the entire
membership before we rule it out.
I think the intersessional has
value. It was not the best this
year, but we invited the wrong
people. The Iceland
intersessional was extremely
productive. We should return to
that format. And discuss who to
invite.</div>
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<div>Ayden </div>
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Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Ayden,
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I don't see how
things can be improve. the
same timeframe issue is
still there and make it
impossible to make any
substantial change in format
or even topics.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Rafik</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le ven.
24 août 2018 à 08:20,
Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
a écrit : <br>
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<div>Strategically
I think it is a
mistake to turn down
this support. We have
this resource
allocated in the
budget. Why not
improve it for 2019?
We won’t get it in
2020 if we decline the
resource this fiscal
year. </div>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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<div>Hi
Farzaneh,</div>
<div>
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<div>yes
holding in
2020 will give
more time to
rethink the
format and the
objectives of
the
intercessional.
we got to
review it,
holding such
meeting for
sake of
holding makes
no sense.</div>
<div>I
don't recall
any lasting
outcome from
the
intersessional
and we works
with CSG when
needed outside
that meeting.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le ven.
24 août 2018
à 07:55,
farzaneh badii
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As we
agreed in our
comment, it is
better to have
the
intersessional
meeting every
two years.
today the gnso
team contacted
the chairs to
know their
opinion about
holding the
intersessional
Joan and i
said that it
should be
every two
years(based on
our previous
deliberation
with the
group) </div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" dir="auto">So
this means we
should discuss
holding it for
2020 and no
intersessional
in 2019. </div>
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