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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have to say that the
last intercessional was excellent, and we got a lot done.
Earlier ones had been much less successful, and I think
coloured our responses. I know we are all busy, but I think
we are asking for trouble in the GNSO review if we lose the
momentum established under Heather's chairmanship (I would
even perhaps invite her back to chair, as she invited
Jonathan).</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-24 04:50, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
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Hi,
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<div class="">There was also an extensive discussion on the Google
Doc when the comment was drafted, and there was significant
support from NCSG members for an annual intersessional. Yes,
there were some objections raised, which is why our comment was
silent on the future of the intersessional. I do note that
participation is optional and no one is forced to attend the
intersessional if they do not consider it to be a productive use
of their time.
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sans-serif;">Can we ask for a transfer? since this is a
part of the core budget it might be possible.</div>
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<div class="">That won’t happen.</div>
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<div class="">What will happen is this $100,000 that won’t be
spent will be presented as an operational efficiency, as
though ICANN staff have made some great sacrifice to replenish
the reserve fund. We saw that happen with the cuts to CROP; it
is being presented as though the spend on staff travel has
decreased, when really, a good chunk of the decrease in
spending has come from a reduction in community support.</div>
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<div class="">No intersessional won’t stop the BC or IPC from
lobbying ICANN staff; they are often in DC or Los Angeles. It
will hurt the NCSG however.</div>
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<div class="">I would oppose an intersessional that was anything
like this year’s one; we need to think carefully about who we
are inviting, and not just inviting those in leadership
positions. I think we should be allocating the 21 slots as a
stakeholder group and bringing in the right max of active
participants.</div>
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<div class="">Best wishes,</div>
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<div class="">Ayden<br class="">
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<div class="">On 24 Aug 2018, at 06:03, farzaneh badii
<<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" class=""
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I had the
impression that we had said in our comment on
budget that we do the intersessional every "other"
year. Based on the thread below, which Rafik,
Tatiana, Milton had supported every other year and
mentioned it. But seems like you decided to delete
the paragraph altogether and I did not personally
respond to add it back in and support every other
year. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Is ICANN
giving us 100,000 USD to go to events that we have
done so well so far? RightsCon, IGF etc? No. It is
throwing bad money after bad. Can we ask for a
transfer? since this is a part of the core budget it
might be possible.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">No one on
post intersessional mailing list was meaningfully
active, responding to staff questions and
commenting (other than you). Rarely there were any
substantive comments that added to the report etc.
And we spent a lot of time planning the last year's
intersessional but it does not get any better. We
have made more progress procedural wise, via email
than we have done during these meetings. Also we
have to always put out fire in these meetings. It is
exhausting. I won't be chair anymore so I won't even
be obliged to go but I have a tip. as long as those
who take the survey and say it was great but don't
even weigh in on simple questions on mailing list,
are not involved with working group to have an
understanding of dynamics, do not have a basic
understanding of NCPH and do not try to understand,
then I think intersessional is just good for some to
travel. For others it's a lot of work.
Intersessional is not a learning opportunity. It's a
battlefield. Lets bring it on every other year than
facing it every year with only a very small number
contributing and a very large number just traveling
(on both stakeholder groups).</div>
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From: <strong class="gmail_sendername"
dir="auto">Ayden Férdeline</strong> <span
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Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:57 AM<br class="">
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Proposed NCSG
Comment on the FY19 Budget<br class="">
To: Rafik Dammak <<a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br
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Cc: <a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>,
Milton Mueller <<a
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<div class="">Thanks for your comments on the
Budget in the Google Doc, Rafik; I've replied
directly and done my best to resolve your
concerns. In particular please note the
re-worded paragraph # 9 (constituency
travellers). I'll put your question in #6 to
Xavier on Monday when the [GNSO Council]
Standing Committee on Budget and Operations has
its next call with Finance.<br class="">
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<div class="">I have now removed the paragraph
about the Intersessional, as perhaps it is
better to be silent here rather than to praise
something which may not have widespread support.
This year's Intersessional was a trainwreck but
I do think this is a disaster we have to own.
Last year's Intersessional was brilliant. What
was the difference? It wasn't content (as you
said Rafik, the content rarely changes), but I
do think it was the participant mix. Our 'side'
was too silent at this year's meeting and we
didn't have enough strong voices to counter the
perspectives being shared by the CSG. When I
think back to Reykjavik, I remember how great it
was having Kathy and others engaging in real
debates with the CSG. I didn't see enough of
that this year; I cannot even think of any
action items that came out of the forum. With
the suggestion circulating (at least during the
Council's Strategic Planning Session) that we
may need to go down from 3 to 2 ICANN public
meetings per year for budgetary reasons, and may
want to tie a Council meeting in with the GDD
Summit, I am reluctant to relinquish any support
allocated to us that has made the core budget.
But perhaps we could advocate tying the
Intersessional in with the GDD Summit, an idea
floated last year? I could see real benefits to
that; on some issues, the contracted parties are
our allies...<br class="">
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<div class="">Another thing: the Additional Budget
Requests (ABRs). I made the point in this
comment that I think it is wrong to cut this
community support, because I feel very strongly
that to make small cuts here which impact us,
without tackling structural issues where the
real costs lie, is the wrong approach. But how
on earth could we expect ICANN to approve some
of them? Some which 'we' submitted are genuinely
embarrassing and would be an inappropriate use
of funds if approved. I have not said anything
on the main mailing list BUT ones like this,
i.e. an <a
href="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html"
title="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">NCUC board game</a>,
should never have been submitted (in my opinion)
and harm our reputation. Their submission was an
Executive decision made without public
consultation on the discussion list. I don't
want this to sound like an attack against
anyone, as that is not my intention, but I think
we need to do some kind of internal reflection
before submitting requests. This request for a
board game will be seen by the entire community,
will be mocked, and let's be real, won't be
approved (nor should it!). Why do this to our
reputation?<br class="">
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<div class="">On 9 February 2018 8:07 AM, Rafik
Dammak <<a
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<div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the draft
which is coming at a good time and allow us
to work on it without pressure,<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="">about the intercessional which
is a separate topic not necessarily
related to the budget, I am for an
evaluation and assessment. I am not that
convinced that issues were a matter of
planning. The content is almost the same
every year, just with small changes of few
topics. I think after 5 years or more, it
is a good time to review and think about
improvement. I believe our CSG friends
will be open and welcome that. Organizing
it every other year can provide that
opportunity and possibility for real
change. <br class="">
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<div class="">I will review the budget and
add my comments there.<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br class="">
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Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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<div class="">I think this year's
Intersessional was unsuccessful,
partially because of insufficient
planning on our part, as well as the
wrong delegates being in attendance.
But I do think the concept itself is a
good one and one which should
continue. I am happy to remove this
paragraph from the document
altogether, however, if we do not have
a common agreement on their value. I
don't think it ranks among our most
pressing concerns!<br class="">
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<div class="">On 8 February 2018
10:14 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <<a
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<p class="">I am one of those who
questions the value of the
intersessionals.<br class="">
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<p class="">I won't support
continuing them every year.
Every other year is a compromise
I can accept.<br class="">
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<p class="">Cheers,<br class="">
</p>
<p class="">Tanya <br class="">
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08/02/18 20:14, Mueller, Milton
L wrote:<br class="">
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style="font-size:11pt">I’ve
had a chance to read
your comments and
congratulate you on
doing so much work to
go through the budget
and prepare an
intelligent evaluation
of it.</span></span></span><br
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agree with most of the
comments but propose a
few minor amendments
here and there, which
I will put onto the
Google doc using
suggest mode.</span></span></span><br
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style="font-size:11pt">The
only point of
disagreement is #17
your support for
continued
intersessionals. I
don’t think there is
consensus on that and
in fact after the last
one I heard several
people who supported
them question their
value or frequency. A
good middle ground
might be to have them
once every other year.</span></span></span><br
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I’ll enter my comments
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<b class="">Subject:</b> [Draft]
Proposed NCSG
Comment on the
FY19 Budget</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
have prepared a first
draft of a proposed NCSG
comment on the FY19
budget. This took quite
some time to comb
through, and I might
have missed some things.
So before I share this
comment on the main
discussion list and face
the inevitable wrath of
criticism and dislike, I
thought I might share it
here to get some initial
feedback. I have also
cc'd in a few other
people who might not be
on this mailing list but
who I think might be
able to offer some
constructive edits on
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Carlos, if one sentence
looks familiar, it's
because I copied and
pasted it from an email
you sent to the NCSG
list last year re: our
Reserve Fund comment. I
hope this is okay.
Thanks!<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 7:46
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<div class="">The community has suffered cut after
cut and we have been directly impacted. We have
next to no budget for capacity building this
fiscal year, and CROP has become useless, as it
can only be used for ICANN-sponsored events and
ICANN refuses to provide a list of them. And we
are about to throw away $100,000 that actually
was allocated to us for an intersessional? This
is crazy; we should improve it, make it work.
And I definitely think we should be
consulting with members to develop our position
here. </div>
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<div class="">I made my opinion based on all
the intersessionals since the beginning
not just the last ones. I am also cautious
to think that is "people" issue as it is
usually the easy way to ignore other
causes and problems.</div>
<div class="">again I dont see any lasting
outcome from intercessional including
iceland. even a topic like Board seat
election was only fixed this year and the
work done by email and with a small group.</div>
<div class="">I think it is a good time to
review.</div>
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<div class="">I think we should
discuss this with the entire
membership before we rule it out. I
think the intersessional has value.
It was not the best this year, but
we invited the wrong people. The
Iceland intersessional was extremely
productive. We should return to that
format. And discuss who to invite.</div>
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<div class="">I don't see how
things can be improve. the
same timeframe issue is still
there and make it impossible
to make any substantial change
in format or even topics.</div>
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<div class="">Strategically
I think it is a mistake
to turn down this
support. We have this
resource allocated in
the budget. Why not
improve it for 2019? We
won’t get it in 2020 if
we decline the resource
this fiscal year. </div>
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<div class="">yes
holding in
2020 will give
more time to
rethink the
format and the
objectives of
the
intercessional.
we got to
review it,
holding such
meeting for
sake of
holding makes
no sense.</div>
<div class="">I
don't recall
any lasting
outcome from
the
intersessional
and we works
with CSG when
needed outside
that meeting.</div>
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agreed in our
comment, it is
better to have
the
intersessional
meeting every
two years.
today the gnso
team contacted
the chairs to
know their
opinion about
holding the
intersessional
Joan and i
said that it
should be
every two
years(based on
our previous
deliberation
with the
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this means we
should discuss
holding it for
2020 and no
intersessional
in 2019. </div>
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