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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Let me check the
latest and get back to you Fik, I honestly don't know but was
going to get on the call today and update myself.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-12 07:53, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie,
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<div>by when the CCWG is supposed to deliver its initial
recommendations?</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Rafik<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 12 juil. 2018 à 20:50, Stephanie
Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have not
been active on auction pro lately (rather like
watching paint dry, and I had conflicts) but we
need to get back-up for this CCWG. Julf and I
have been active....need more help.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-07-12 06:09, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<div>I think these are good questions.</div>
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<div>Ayden <br>
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<div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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<div> On 12 July 2018 11:53 AM, Marilyn Cade <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">My
questions were perhaps not clear -- I thought it
was understood that I had questions by raising
issues, but let me try again:<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">What is
the basis that the consultant used to suggest
that there is low cost and low start up time for
Options 1 and 2? This makes no sense to me --
managing segrated funds is of course not hard
for ICANN finance, but this is simply NOT the
real work of managing a grants making activity,
or tracking and reporting on grants. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I would
like to also hear more about how it would work
to have each and every grant reported on the
ICANN tax forms, and whether that increases the
likelihood of iRS auditing ICANN. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I'd also
like to understand whether the ICANN present not
for profit status includes such functions, under
California law. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Segregating
staff; identifying how to create needed
firewalls, and accountability mechanisms is not
without cost but these were ignored in my view
by the consultant.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">"Firing
/laying off staff" upon the conclusion of the
disbursement of funds can be perhaps taken into
account, but I am not sure how -- as ICANN has a
pay scale/benefits plan that exceeds what is
typical for grant making organizations, in my
experience. So, deciding that ICANN will add
staff to bring in expertise, have a time sheet
approach to allocate some time from other staff,
such as legal, financial, etc. is fairly
complex. Would staff brought into ICANN to add
grant making and management/evaluation have to
be brought in as contract staff, with time
specific contracts? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How will
the IRS review ICANN's status, if the $100++M/or
$230M is somehow now brought into ICANN's
oversight? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">What is
the competency requirement of the Board of ICANN
to engage in Grant making/grant review/etc.? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Will
making oversight of the grant making/review
require a change in the competency of Board
members, and does this put the larger mission
and core responsibilities at risk? Just a
comment that in my experience, Boards of grant
making organizations are selected for a variety
of skills, which may include experience in
understanding the core mission but also brings
in experience in the field of grant
making/management/evaluation of outcomes. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">The
ICANN Board already speaks to how overworked
they are and they are very committed. BUT,
there is a set of core responsibilities that the
Board has, that does not include grant making.
Further, the Board does not have expertise in
grant review and grant making - How did the
consultant determine that the Board of ICANN was
'qualified/competent" to engage in reviewing
grants, and how did the consultant propose that
the process would work for using existing staff,
and Board members? What would the additional
time for existing Board members be to take on
internal review of grants/review/management? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How does
the consultant perceive to curtail [and I mean
curtail] the usual approach of the ICANN
community to assume that they can "advocate"
about decisions taken within ICANN processes?
This is not a conflict of interest issue but a
comment that we have to understand that it is
human nature to to seek to influence outcomes of
who receives funding. The CCWG should focus on
guidance for what kind of projects can receive
funding, in my view, but create a process that
is external and not subject to the internal
advocacy that will naturally develop. This puts
ICANN's integrity, and even perhaps creates
repetitional risks. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I have
more questions about an internal process, but
let's start with those.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Finally, I
posted a question raised by a member of the CSG
about the need to have grants reviewed for human
rights implications. The consultant acknowledged
the need to review all applications for IFAC
[this is not a simple task] but did not address
how an internal process within ICANN would
fulfill this. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I also
would like to hear the consultant's perspective
about the need to review for human rights
implications. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">If this is
needed, I will have questions about how an
internal process would address this requirement.
And, frankly, I don't think having volunteers
from the ICANN community will "pass" the red
face test with the IRS. But the retained
consultant may have great answers to my
questions.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Marilyn <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
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<div><span class="m_-6536152589552795806font"
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:#000000"><b>From:</b>
Marika Konings <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 12, 2018
4:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marilyn Cade; <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ext] Re: Proposed
agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG
meeting of 12 July at 14.00 UTC</span></span>
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<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Thanks,
Marilyn for your input. I looked back at
the email you sent prior to ICANN62, but
it seemed to raise some concerns not
necessarily questions, but I may have
missed them? If you could please resend
the questions you have for Sarah, staff
can pass these on together with the one
below.<br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Best
regards,<br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Marika<br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
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<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><b><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span>
</b><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Marilyn Cade
<a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 12,
2018 at 10:01<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><marika.konings@icann.org></a>,
<a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
<a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: Proposed
agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds
CCWG meeting of 12 July at 14.00 UTC</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
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<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Dear
colleagues</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">During the
session that the CSG hosted with
Xavier, during ICANN62, one of the
attorneys raised a question with
Xavier and myself regarding the need
to review all grants for human
rights implications. I haven't been
able to properly research this, but
wanted to raise it to staff to ask
the retained consultant for more
information. This would add
significant review criteria to grant
proposal reviews. </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">I am not sure
that I have seen answers to the
questions that I raised, but I am
still reviewing the documents in the
attachment. </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Looking
forward to our call.</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Marilyn Cade</span></span><br>
</p>
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style="color:black"><span
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<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><b><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black">
Ccwg-auctionproceeds <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of Marika Konings <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11,
2018 6:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed
agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds
CCWG meeting of 12 July at 14.00
UTC</span><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"></span></span></p>
<div>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Dear
All,</span></span><br>
</p>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Please
find below the proposed agenda
for the upcoming meeting of
the new gTLD Auction Proceeds
CCWG which is scheduled for
Thursday 12 July at 14.00 UTC.</span></span><br>
</p>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Best
regards,</span></span><br>
</p>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Marika</span></span><br>
</p>
<div>
<p
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
</div>
<p
style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><b><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">Proposed
Agenda – new gTLD Auction
Proceeds CCWG meeting –
Thursday 12 July at 14.00
UTC</span></span></b><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">:</span></span><br>
</p>
<p
style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Roll Call</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Welcome /
SOI-DOI Updates</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Recap from
CCWG62 related meetings and
updates</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Review of
proposed responses to charter
questions</span><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour"
style="color:windowtext"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> (updated
version to be shared by
staff shortly) </span></span><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Final review
of summary descriptions
provided by Sarah Berg -<span
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806highlight" style="background-color:white"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size"
style="font-size:12pt">ICANN
Contracted Advisor on
Strategic Development and
Philanthropic Programs
(see attached)</span></span></span><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Feedback on
remaining steps and proposed
timeline (see attached)</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black"
class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Confirmation
of next steps and next meeting
(26 July 2018 at 14.00 UTC)</span><br>
</li>
</ol>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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