<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie,<div><br></div><div>by when the CCWG is supposed to deliver its initial recommendations?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 12 juil. 2018 à 20:50, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have not been active
          on auction pro lately (rather like watching paint dry, and I
          had conflicts) but we need to get back-up for this CCWG.  Julf
          and I have been active....need more help.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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    <div class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-12 06:09, Ayden Férdeline
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      <div>I think these are good questions.</div>
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      <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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      <div> On 12 July 2018 11:53 AM, Marilyn Cade
        <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">My questions were
            perhaps not clear -- I thought it was understood that I
            had questions by raising issues,  but let me try again:<br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">What is the basis that
            the consultant used to suggest that there is low cost and
            low start up time for Options 1 and 2?  This makes no sense
            to me -- managing segrated funds is of course not hard for
            ICANN finance, but this is simply NOT the real work of
            managing a grants making activity, or tracking and reporting
            on grants. <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I would like to also
            hear more about how it would work to have each and every
            grant reported on the ICANN tax forms, and whether that
            increases the likelihood of iRS auditing ICANN.  <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I'd also like to
            understand whether the ICANN present not for profit status
            includes such functions, under California law.  <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Segregating staff;
            identifying how to create needed firewalls, and
            accountability mechanisms is not without cost but these were
            ignored in my view by the consultant.<br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">"Firing /laying off
            staff" upon the conclusion of the disbursement of funds can
            be perhaps taken into account, but I am not sure how -- as
            ICANN has a pay scale/benefits plan that exceeds what is
            typical for grant making organizations, in my experience.
            So, deciding that ICANN will add staff to bring in
            expertise, have a time sheet approach to allocate some time
            from other staff, such as legal, financial, etc. is fairly
            complex. Would staff brought into ICANN to add grant making
            and management/evaluation have to be brought in as contract
            staff, with time specific contracts? <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How will the IRS
            review ICANN's status, if the $100++M/or $230M is somehow
            now brought into ICANN's oversight? <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">What is the competency
            requirement of the Board of ICANN to engage in Grant
            making/grant review/etc.? <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Will making oversight
            of the grant making/review require a change in the
            competency of Board members, and does this put the larger
            mission and core responsibilities at risk?  Just a comment
            that in my experience, Boards of grant making organizations
            are selected for a variety of skills, which may include
            experience in understanding the core mission but also brings
            in experience in the field of grant
            making/management/evaluation of outcomes. <br>
          </p>
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          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">The ICANN Board
            already speaks to how overworked they are and they are very
            committed.  BUT, there is a set of core responsibilities
            that the Board has, that does not include grant making.
             Further, the Board does not have expertise in  grant review
            and grant making - How did the consultant determine that the
            Board of ICANN was 'qualified/competent" to engage in
            reviewing grants, and how did the consultant propose that
            the process would work for using existing staff, and Board
            members? What would the additional time for existing Board
            members be to take on internal review of
            grants/review/management? <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How does the
            consultant perceive to curtail [and I mean curtail] the
            usual approach of the ICANN community to assume that they
            can "advocate" about decisions taken within ICANN processes?
             This is not a conflict of interest issue but a comment that
            we have to understand that it is human nature to to seek to
            influence outcomes of who receives funding. The CCWG should
            focus on guidance for what kind of projects can receive
            funding, in my view, but create a process that is external
            and not subject to the internal advocacy that will naturally
            develop. This puts ICANN's integrity, and even perhaps
            creates repetitional risks. <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I have more questions
            about an internal process, but let's start with those.<br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Finally, I posted a
            question raised by a member of the CSG about the need to
            have grants reviewed for human rights implications. The
            consultant acknowledged the need to review all applications
            for IFAC [this is not a simple task] but did not address how
            an internal process within ICANN would fulfill this. <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I also would like to
            hear the consultant's perspective about the need to review
            for human rights implications. <br>
          </p>
          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">If this is needed, I
            will have questions about how an internal process would
            address this requirement. And, frankly, I don't think having
            volunteers from the ICANN community will "pass" the red face
            test with the IRS.  But the retained consultant may have
            great answers to my questions.<br>
          </p>
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          <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Marilyn  <br>
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              <div><span class="m_-6536152589552795806font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:#000000"><b>From:</b>
                    Marika Konings <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:08 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Marilyn Cade;
                    <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ext] Re: Proposed agenda - new
                    gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting of 12 July at
                    14.00 UTC</span></span> </div>
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                <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Thanks, Marilyn for your input. I
                  looked back at the email you sent prior to ICANN62,
                  but it seemed to raise some concerns not necessarily
                  questions, but I may have missed them? If you could
                  please resend the questions you have for Sarah, staff
                  can pass these on together with the one below.<br>
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                </p>
                <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Best regards,<br>
                </p>
                <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
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                <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Marika<br>
                </p>
                <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
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                  <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span> </b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Marilyn Cade
                        <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
                        <b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:01<br>
                        <b>To: </b>Marika Konings
                        <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><marika.konings@icann.org></a>,
                        <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
                        <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
                        <b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: Proposed agenda - new
                        gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting of 12 July at
                        14.00 UTC</span></span></p>
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                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Dear
                        colleagues</span></span><br>
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                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
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                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">During the
                        session that the CSG hosted with Xavier, during
                        ICANN62, one of the attorneys raised a question
                        with Xavier and myself regarding the need to
                        review all grants for human rights implications.
                        I haven't been able to properly research this,
                        but wanted to raise it to staff to ask the
                        retained consultant for more information. This
                        would add significant review criteria to grant
                        proposal reviews. </span></span><br>
                  </p>
                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
                  </p>
                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">I am not
                        sure that I have seen answers to the questions
                        that I raised, but I am still reviewing the
                        documents in the attachment. </span></span><br>
                  </p>
                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
                  </p>
                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Looking
                        forward to our call.</span></span><br>
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                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
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                  <p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Marilyn Cade</span></span><br>
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                      <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black">
                          Ccwg-auctionproceeds
                          <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a>
                          on behalf of Marika Konings
                          <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:44 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [Ccwg-auctionproceeds]
                          Proposed agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds
                          CCWG meeting of 12 July at 14.00 UTC</span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span></span></p>
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                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Dear All,</span></span><br>
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                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
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                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Please find below
                              the proposed agenda for the upcoming
                              meeting of the new gTLD Auction Proceeds
                              CCWG which is scheduled for Thursday 12
                              July at 14.00 UTC.</span></span><br>
                        </p>
                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
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                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Best regards,</span></span><br>
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                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
                        </p>
                        <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Marika</span></span><br>
                        </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
                          </p>
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                        <p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Proposed Agenda –
                                new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting –
                                Thursday 12 July at 14.00 UTC</span></span></b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">:</span></span><br>
                        </p>
                        <p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
                        </p>
                        <ol start="1" type="1">
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Roll
                              Call</span><br>
                          </li>
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Welcome
                              / SOI-DOI Updates</span><br>
                          </li>
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Recap
                              from CCWG62 related meetings and updates</span><br>
                          </li>
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Review
                              of proposed responses to charter questions</span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:windowtext"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">
                                (updated version to be shared by staff
                                shortly) </span></span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
                          </li>
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Final
                              review of summary descriptions provided by
                              Sarah Berg -<span class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">ICANN
                                  Contracted Advisor on Strategic
                                  Development and Philanthropic Programs
                                  (see attached)</span></span></span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
                          </li>
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Feedback
                              on remaining steps and proposed timeline
                              (see attached)</span><br>
                          </li>
                          <li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Confirmation
                              of next steps and next meeting (26 July
                              2018 at 14.00 UTC)</span><br>
                          </li>
                        </ol>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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