<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie,<div><br></div><div>by when the CCWG is supposed to deliver its initial recommendations?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 12 juil. 2018 à 20:50, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I have not been active
on auction pro lately (rather like watching paint dry, and I
had conflicts) but we need to get back-up for this CCWG. Julf
and I have been active....need more help.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-12 06:09, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
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<div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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<div> On 12 July 2018 11:53 AM, Marilyn Cade
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">My questions were
perhaps not clear -- I thought it was understood that I
had questions by raising issues, but let me try again:<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">What is the basis that
the consultant used to suggest that there is low cost and
low start up time for Options 1 and 2? This makes no sense
to me -- managing segrated funds is of course not hard for
ICANN finance, but this is simply NOT the real work of
managing a grants making activity, or tracking and reporting
on grants. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I would like to also
hear more about how it would work to have each and every
grant reported on the ICANN tax forms, and whether that
increases the likelihood of iRS auditing ICANN. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I'd also like to
understand whether the ICANN present not for profit status
includes such functions, under California law. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Segregating staff;
identifying how to create needed firewalls, and
accountability mechanisms is not without cost but these were
ignored in my view by the consultant.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">"Firing /laying off
staff" upon the conclusion of the disbursement of funds can
be perhaps taken into account, but I am not sure how -- as
ICANN has a pay scale/benefits plan that exceeds what is
typical for grant making organizations, in my experience.
So, deciding that ICANN will add staff to bring in
expertise, have a time sheet approach to allocate some time
from other staff, such as legal, financial, etc. is fairly
complex. Would staff brought into ICANN to add grant making
and management/evaluation have to be brought in as contract
staff, with time specific contracts? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How will the IRS
review ICANN's status, if the $100++M/or $230M is somehow
now brought into ICANN's oversight? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">What is the competency
requirement of the Board of ICANN to engage in Grant
making/grant review/etc.? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Will making oversight
of the grant making/review require a change in the
competency of Board members, and does this put the larger
mission and core responsibilities at risk? Just a comment
that in my experience, Boards of grant making organizations
are selected for a variety of skills, which may include
experience in understanding the core mission but also brings
in experience in the field of grant
making/management/evaluation of outcomes. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">The ICANN Board
already speaks to how overworked they are and they are very
committed. BUT, there is a set of core responsibilities
that the Board has, that does not include grant making.
Further, the Board does not have expertise in grant review
and grant making - How did the consultant determine that the
Board of ICANN was 'qualified/competent" to engage in
reviewing grants, and how did the consultant propose that
the process would work for using existing staff, and Board
members? What would the additional time for existing Board
members be to take on internal review of
grants/review/management? <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How does the
consultant perceive to curtail [and I mean curtail] the
usual approach of the ICANN community to assume that they
can "advocate" about decisions taken within ICANN processes?
This is not a conflict of interest issue but a comment that
we have to understand that it is human nature to to seek to
influence outcomes of who receives funding. The CCWG should
focus on guidance for what kind of projects can receive
funding, in my view, but create a process that is external
and not subject to the internal advocacy that will naturally
develop. This puts ICANN's integrity, and even perhaps
creates repetitional risks. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I have more questions
about an internal process, but let's start with those.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Finally, I posted a
question raised by a member of the CSG about the need to
have grants reviewed for human rights implications. The
consultant acknowledged the need to review all applications
for IFAC [this is not a simple task] but did not address how
an internal process within ICANN would fulfill this. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I also would like to
hear the consultant's perspective about the need to review
for human rights implications. <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">If this is needed, I
will have questions about how an internal process would
address this requirement. And, frankly, I don't think having
volunteers from the ICANN community will "pass" the red face
test with the IRS. But the retained consultant may have
great answers to my questions.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Marilyn <br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
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<div><span class="m_-6536152589552795806font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:#000000"><b>From:</b>
Marika Konings <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marilyn Cade;
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ext] Re: Proposed agenda - new
gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting of 12 July at
14.00 UTC</span></span> </div>
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<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Thanks, Marilyn for your input. I
looked back at the email you sent prior to ICANN62,
but it seemed to raise some concerns not necessarily
questions, but I may have missed them? If you could
please resend the questions you have for Sarah, staff
can pass these on together with the one below.<br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Best regards,<br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal">Marika<br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span> </b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Marilyn Cade
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><marilynscade@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 10:01<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><marika.konings@icann.org></a>,
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">"ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"</a>
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank"><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: Proposed agenda - new
gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting of 12 July at
14.00 UTC</span></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"> <br>
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<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Dear
colleagues</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">During the
session that the CSG hosted with Xavier, during
ICANN62, one of the attorneys raised a question
with Xavier and myself regarding the need to
review all grants for human rights implications.
I haven't been able to properly research this,
but wanted to raise it to staff to ask the
retained consultant for more information. This
would add significant review criteria to grant
proposal reviews. </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">I am not
sure that I have seen answers to the questions
that I raised, but I am still reviewing the
documents in the attachment. </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Looking
forward to our call.</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Marilyn Cade</span></span><br>
</p>
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<div id="m_-6536152589552795806x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black">
Ccwg-auctionproceeds
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of Marika Konings
<a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="m_-6536152589552795806moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ccwg-auctionproceeds]
Proposed agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds
CCWG meeting of 12 July at 14.00 UTC</span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span></span></p>
<div>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Dear All,</span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Please find below
the proposed agenda for the upcoming
meeting of the new gTLD Auction Proceeds
CCWG which is scheduled for Thursday 12
July at 14.00 UTC.</span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Best regards,</span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Marika</span></span><br>
</p>
<div>
<p class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
</div>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Proposed Agenda –
new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting –
Thursday 12 July at 14.00 UTC</span></span></b><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">:</span></span><br>
</p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xmsonormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br>
</p>
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<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Roll
Call</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Welcome
/ SOI-DOI Updates</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Recap
from CCWG62 related meetings and updates</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Review
of proposed responses to charter questions</span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:windowtext"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">
(updated version to be shared by staff
shortly) </span></span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Final
review of summary descriptions provided by
Sarah Berg -<span class="m_-6536152589552795806x_xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">ICANN
Contracted Advisor on Strategic
Development and Philanthropic Programs
(see attached)</span></span></span><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Feedback
on remaining steps and proposed timeline
(see attached)</span><br>
</li>
<li style="color:black" class="m_-6536152589552795806x_MsoNormal"><span class="m_-6536152589552795806size" style="font-size:12pt">Confirmation
of next steps and next meeting (26 July
2018 at 14.00 UTC)</span><br>
</li>
</ol>
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