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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">yes I have not
bothered to push that because it is implicit in compliance
with GDPR....and opens us up to IPC putting granular detail
into the document. Although it must be said that the push at
the moment is to keep enough vague generalization in the scope
that they can push access model into first place once the EPDP
starts...</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks for this input
Kathy, very helpful!</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers STephanie</font></font><br>
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<div dir="auto">This is the fight we have started. I think they
water down the problem by calling it access to nonpublic whois
data which if I am not wrong is simply personal information of
data subjects! I see Ayden has commented on the document to that
effect and I think we should add sensitive data too. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:46 AM Kathy Kleiman
<<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Rafik, Stephanie,
Ayden, Martin, Tatiana, Arsene and All,<br>
I'm worried about the absence in the EPDP draft of
"sensitive data." Sensitive data is the part of the GDPR
that protects data of those engaged in political,
religious, racial, ethnic, LGBQT activities. It's a
section of the GDPR designed created to protect people who
express minority views -- the very type of organizations
who are often members of NCSG.<br>
<br>
Because GDPR Article 9 protects "sensitive data," and
organizations (which are often "legal entities"), it
should be to be expressly called out in EDPD draft, e.g.,
as "personal <i>and sensitive </i>data." The protections
GDPR Article 9 also fundamentally implicated in the
calculus of disclosure, e.g., when “access to registration
data based on legitimate interests" [is or is] "not
outweighed by the fundamental rights of relevant data
subjects." <i> <a href="https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/</a></i>
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I've written a short memo (attached) for you on this topic
- with guidance from Council of Europe's Data Protection
Unit. Who else on Council should I circulate it to? Good
luck with the negotiations!<br>
Best, <br>
Kathy<br>
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7/10/2018 1:34 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
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<div>thanks, Stephanie for sharing this draft.</div>
<div>indeed all those gating questions are of concerns
and will impact the EPDP progress. Adding the
accredited access model to the EPDP defacto make it
longer than planned even if the team delivers the
first final report for the temporary spec part. That
goes beyond the planned 6 months and I don't think
it is doable or can be acceptable to have an intense
team like the envisioned EPDP to be asked to figure
out the access model too. I don't know if the same
volunteers or participants have the same background
and knowledge on the 2 different issues.</div>
<div>that should be treated by a separate team while
we can argue about the gating questions and which
can be treated by the EPDP team. We can suggest that
the staggered phase can be started with some
conditions TBD and not automatically. those
questions and responses can be approved separately
from the rest of other recommendations in the 1st
final report.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Rafik</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le mar. 10 juil. 2018 à 05:38,
Stephanie Perrin <<a
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a écrit :<br>
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<p>I am not very happy with the "small team"
efforts. My comments are being ignored
(surprise surprise) and the BC/IPC is being
permitted to do back room drafting with
staff, after coming in at the last minute (7
minutes to our meeting time) with new
language. I wanted that paragraph thrown
out wholesale....</p>
<p>And the questions are not all legit, and if
the answers to the gating questions are not
approved by the community, no matter, we go
on regardless.</p>
<p>please take a minute to think about this
mess, we are being driven by artificial
deadlines to finish and agree.</p>
<p>steph<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Following our
call today, Donna and I have been
working on the Google Doc from this
morning’s EPDP Scope call. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Here are the
changes we made:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1"
type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Based on
the comments from Paul and others
regarding the difficulty of tracking
comments in Google docs to the text,
I inserted proposed text into the
body of the document where the
commenter is proposing it should
go. All proposed text is denoted
by <i><span
style="background:yellow">italics
and highlighted in yellow</span></i> for
ease of reference. I’m hoping that
will make it easier to discuss on
the call by zeroing in on
highlighted text. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I have
removed references to phases and
inserted references to gating
questions. This text has been
highlighted in <span
style="background:yellow">yellow</span>
to note that it has been changed. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Proposed
gating questions have their
numbering highlighted in <span
style="background:lime">green</span>.
There may be other gating questions,
but I highlighted the
originally-proposed gating questions
as a starting point.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Donna and I
added some comments on what the
group appeared to converge on during
today’s call. </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Lastly, I
attached the notes from today’s call
in case you find these helpful as
you’re going through the document.
</span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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link to the Google Doc: <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TlcnfYuRhrCKVB28Rvb_ra6mCIWvjUDnJyJhSjbG5_Q/edit"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you,
and please let me know if there is
anything I can do to assist in your
review of the document.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
Caitlin</span></p>
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