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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">yes I have not
          bothered to push that because it is implicit in compliance
          with GDPR....and opens us up to IPC putting granular detail
          into the document.  Although it must be said that the push at
          the moment is to keep enough vague generalization in the scope
          that they can push access model into first place once the EPDP
          starts...</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks for this input
          Kathy, very helpful!</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers STephanie</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-10 11:53, farzaneh badii
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Kathy </div>
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      <div dir="auto">This is the fight we have started. I think they
        water down the problem by calling it access to nonpublic whois
        data which if I am not wrong is simply personal information of
        data subjects! I see Ayden has commented on the document to that
        effect and I think we should add sensitive data too. </div>
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          <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:46 AM Kathy Kleiman
            <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Rafik, Stephanie,
              Ayden, Martin, Tatiana, Arsene and All,<br>
              I'm worried about the absence in the EPDP draft of
              "sensitive data." Sensitive data is the part of the GDPR
              that protects data of those engaged in political,
              religious, racial, ethnic, LGBQT activities. It's a
              section of the GDPR designed created to protect people who
              express minority views -- the very type of organizations
              who are often members of NCSG.<br>
              <br>
              Because GDPR Article 9 protects "sensitive data," and
              organizations (which are often "legal entities"), it
              should be to be expressly called out in EDPD draft, e.g.,
              as "personal <i>and sensitive </i>data." The protections
              GDPR Article 9 also fundamentally implicated in the
              calculus of disclosure, e.g., when “access to registration
              data based on legitimate interests" [is or is] "not
              outweighed by the fundamental rights of relevant data
              subjects." <i> <a href="https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/</a></i>
              <br>
              <br>
              I've written a short memo (attached) for you on this topic
              - with guidance from Council of Europe's Data Protection
              Unit. Who else on Council should I circulate it to? Good
              luck with the negotiations!<br>
              Best, <br>
              Kathy<br>
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                7/10/2018 1:34 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Hi,
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                  <div>thanks, Stephanie for sharing this draft.</div>
                  <div>indeed all those gating questions are of concerns
                    and will impact the EPDP progress. Adding the
                    accredited access model to the EPDP defacto make it
                    longer than planned even if the team delivers the
                    first final report for the temporary spec part. That
                    goes beyond the planned 6 months and I don't think
                    it is doable or can be acceptable to have an intense
                    team like the envisioned EPDP to be asked to figure
                    out the access model too. I don't know if the same
                    volunteers or participants have the same background
                    and knowledge on the 2 different issues.</div>
                  <div>that should be treated by a separate team while
                    we can argue about the gating questions and which
                    can be treated by the EPDP team. We can suggest that
                    the staggered phase can be started with some
                    conditions TBD and not automatically. those
                    questions and responses can be approved separately
                    from the rest of other recommendations in the 1st
                    final report.</div>
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                  <div>Best,</div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div>Rafik</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Le mar. 10 juil. 2018 à 05:38,
                        Stephanie Perrin <<a
                          href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
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                          <p>I am not very happy with the "small team"
                            efforts.  My comments are being ignored
                            (surprise surprise) and the BC/IPC is being
                            permitted to do back room drafting with
                            staff, after coming in at the last minute (7
                            minutes to our meeting time) with new
                            language.  I wanted that paragraph thrown
                            out wholesale....</p>
                          <p>And the questions are not all legit, and if
                            the answers to the gating questions are not
                            approved by the community, no matter, we go
                            on regardless.</p>
                          <p>please take a minute to think about this
                            mess, we are being driven by artificial
                            deadlines to finish and agree.</p>
                          <p>steph<br>
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                                  <td>Updated scope section document +
                                    notes from today's EPDP scope call</td>
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                                  <td>Mon, 9 Jul 2018 20:08:28 +0000</td>
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                                  <td>Caitlin Tubergen <a
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                                  <td>Drazek, Keith <a
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                                      href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com"
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                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><kdrazek@verisign.com></a>,
                                    Susan Kawaguchi <a
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href="mailto:susankpolicy@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><susankpolicy@gmail.com></a>,
                                    <a
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href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank"
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                                    <a
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href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank"
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                                    Donna Austin <a
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href="mailto:donna.austin@team.neustar" target="_blank"
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                                    <a
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href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>
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href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><rafik.dammak@gmail.com></a>,
                                    Heather Forrest <a
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href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank"
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                                      href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"
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                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-secs@icann.org></a>,
                                    Paul McGrady (Google Docs) <a
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                                    Marika Konings <a
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                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Team, </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Following our
                                  call today, Donna and I have been
                                  working on the Google Doc from this
                                  morning’s EPDP Scope call.  </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Here are the
                                  changes we made:</span></p>
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                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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                                  style="margin-left:0in"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Based on
                                    the comments from Paul and others
                                    regarding the difficulty of tracking
                                    comments in Google docs to the text,
                                    I inserted proposed text into the
                                    body of the document where the
                                    commenter is proposing it should
                                    go.  All proposed text is denoted
                                    by <i><span
                                        style="background:yellow">italics
                                        and highlighted in yellow</span></i> for
                                    ease of reference.  I’m hoping that
                                    will make it easier to discuss on
                                    the call by zeroing in on
                                    highlighted text.  </span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:0in"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">I have
                                    removed references to phases and
                                    inserted references to gating
                                    questions. This text has been
                                    highlighted in <span
                                      style="background:yellow">yellow</span>
                                    to note that it has been changed.  </span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:0in"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Proposed
                                    gating questions have their
                                    numbering highlighted in <span
                                      style="background:lime">green</span>.
                                    There may be other gating questions,
                                    but I highlighted the
                                    originally-proposed gating questions
                                    as a starting point.</span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:0in"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Donna and I
                                    added some comments on what the
                                    group appeared to converge on during
                                    today’s call.  </span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-left:0in"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Lastly, I
                                    attached the notes from today’s call
                                    in case you find these helpful as
                                    you’re going through the document. 
                                  </span></li>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Here is the
                                  link to the Google Doc: <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TlcnfYuRhrCKVB28Rvb_ra6mCIWvjUDnJyJhSjbG5_Q/edit"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TlcnfYuRhrCKVB28Rvb_ra6mCIWvjUDnJyJhSjbG5_Q/edit</a></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you,
                                  and please let me know if there is
                                  anything I can do to assist in your
                                  review of the document.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
                                  Caitlin</span></p>
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