<div dir="ltr">Hi Kathy,<div><br></div><div>here we go, report attached</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 3 juil. 2018 à 23:24, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Rafik, would it be possible to add a link to the full paper?
I see that the CSG has commented broadly, and I'm happy to do the
same (and hope others will as well!).</p>
<p>Tx, Kathu<br>
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<div class="m_-2124589915980557372moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2018 6:26 AM, Rafik Dammak
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>this is the input from BC on PDP 3.0 report. there is an
extension for SG/C to send their comments on the report.</div>
<div>we have a google doc to populate with an NCSG input <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/13iQjVPy_yqfMu0jT3CrNu0WfHfyXLOWSMGaGb3PnnnM/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/13iQjVPy_yqfMu0jT3CrNu0WfHfyXLOWSMGaGb3PnnnM/edit</a>.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Rafik<br>
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Date: lun. 2 juil. 2018 à 19:13<br>
Subject: [council] GNSO PDP 3.0 discussion paper<br>
To: GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear
all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Trust
you had a good journey home!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As
requested during our meetings last week, please see
below the input that the BC provided on PDP 3.0.
We’re of course more than happy to discuss further.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind
regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Marie</span></p>
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Pattullo
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 8, 2018 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Marika Konings' <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>;
Heather Forrest <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>>;
Austin, Donna <<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank">Donna.Austin@team.neustar</a>>;
'Rafik Dammak' <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bc-excomm@icann.org" target="_blank">bc-excomm@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GNSO PDP 3.0 discussion
paper</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">All,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Many
thanks for this. As requested, input from the BC is
below.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind
regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Marie</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The BC
welcomes the discussion of how to improve the GNSO
Policy Development Process (PDP). Ensuring an
efficient and effective way to gather, synthesise
and advance community-based policies is a vital part
of ICANN’s DNA.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As a
starting point, not only has the current average
timeline for PDPs increased, so has the amount of
working groups, reviews and policy dossiers – not
least the unprecedented EPDP/Temporary Specification
work. A balance must be found between allowing
enough time and community input on the one hand and
an efficient and timely process on the other; we
thank the Council leadership and staff for setting
out the challenges in a concise and realistic way.
Taking the potential incremental improvements in
order:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Working
Group Dynamics
</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Terms of participation
for WG members</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: while a “Commitment of
Participation” template may be worthwhile, in
practice this is unlikely to have a practical
effect on participation. We already have standards
of behaviour but experience shows that this does
not stop bad faith or even the wilfully
unpleasant, and at a lesser level one person’s
joke is another’s affront. This would have to be
policed carefully.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Consider alternatives to
open WG model</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: designation by
SO/AC/SG/Cs should help to ensure more objectivity
and expertise, but we would add that the designee
should also act as the conduit for their
designator’s views and not in their personal
capacity. Individuals must be allowed to join as
either participants or observers to preserve the
multistakeholder model; would it however be
possible to consider “weighted voting” in
contentious matters (so more “weight” for
designees)? For example, could the Chair call a
vote on a discussion point when it seems that
deadlock has been reached based on ideology rather
than reason and community benefit?</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Limitations to joining of
new members after a certain time</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: if this is to happen, new
observers must still be allowed to join and
newsletters issued regularly to ensure
transparency. The decision to widen/restrict the
membership should not fall on the PDP leadership
alone, but on Council as a whole to prevent
unwarranted pressure/capture of the Chairs.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">WG
Leadership</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Capture vs. Consensus
Playbook</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">:
any practical tools and support to ensure
effective and efficient leadership should be seen
as a positive. Experienced Chairs/leadership would
be the most obvious drafters to share hands-on
experience and solutions.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Active role for and clear
description of Council liaison to PDP WGs</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Document expectations for
WG leaders that outlines role &
responsibilities as well as minimum skills /
expertise required</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></i><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Complexity
of Subject Matter
</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Creation of Cooperative
Teams</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">:
while we understand the good faith reasoning, this
goes against the idea of the “Commitment of
Participation” and could develop into a shortcut
for those who do not/cannot engage who then rely
on these Teams to do extra work/outreach to
compensate for their lack of engagement. It would
also lead to further complexity by adding another
structural element that could cause confusion
about who really is the shaping the PDP – the
drafting team, the subgroup, the Chair,
Cooperative Team..? It could also be vulnerable to
claims that the Teams were misdirecting the
members/ misrepresenting the discussions.</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:windowtext">
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ul>
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<span style="font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">PDP
Plenary or Model PDP</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">: full
support.</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="m_-2124589915980557372gmail-m_-5804707641590519102m_442394736407460707MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Consensus
Building</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Provide further guidance
for sections 3.6 (Standard Methodology for
decision making)</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: general support but a
note of caution: “Consensus” means different
things to different organisations and at the
beginning of a PDP it would be helpful to remind
everyone about what “consensus” will mean in the
PDP process. However there is value in considering
consensus-building lessons and approaches used by
other organisations.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Document positions at the
outset</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">:
possible, but would this not extend the opening
phases of the PDP before substantive work could
start? And whose positions – those of members, or
aggregate views? There will also by default be
sub-positions of positions. We are not convinced
that this would be of benefit.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Role
of Council as Manager of the PDP</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Enforce deadlines and
ensure bite size pieces</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: full support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Notification to Council
of changes in work plan</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: full support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Review of Chair(s</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">): this leads to a further
question – do we need a policy on the appointment
of Chairs in the first place? While we support the
idea of a “process... that allows a WG to
challenge and/or replace its leadership team” this
should be carefully crafted. The 12-month
reappointment seems sensible.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Make better use of
existing flexibility in PDP to allow for data
gathering, chartering and termination when it is
clear that no consensus can be achieved</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Independent conflict
resolution</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">: We are concerned that an
independent conflict resolution process has the
potential of becoming the default way to resolve
seemingly intractable WG disagreements rather than
forcing WG members to do the hard work of
consensus-building and employing the toolkit of
possible responses mentioned under WG Leadership.
After two years under the revised PDP process, we
might then reconsider the desirability/need for
recourse to independent conflict resolution.
Further - who would do this? If external – cost
implications? Could it fall under the remit of
(e.g.) the Standing Selection Committee? Whoever
it is, this should be known to all WGs from the
outset.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Criteria for PDP WG
Updates</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">:
support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Resource reporting for
PDP WGs</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt">:
support.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"> council
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 11, 2018 11:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [council] GNSO PDP 3.0
discussion paper</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Sending on behalf of the Council
leadership</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Dear colleagues,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:18pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Please find
attached for your review the GNSO PDP 3.0 discussion
paper. The Council leadership team has collaborated
with staff in bringing all discussions and
suggestions to date into one document for your and
your respective communities’ consideration. We
welcome input, particularly on section 4 – potential
incremental improvements for consideration. In
particular, which potential incremental improvements
should be prioritized, are there any missing, are
there additional implementation steps that should be
considered? After receiving feedback, we hope to
commence the development of an implementation plan
proposing the when/how/who of implementing those
incremental improvements agreed upon by the Council.
To contribute to this next step in the improvements
process we kindly request your feedback and/or that
of your community by 8 June so that the Council can
consider next steps during its meeting at ICANN62.
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">GNSO Council
leadership team</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Marika Konings</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Vice President, Policy Development
Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers (ICANN) </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Email: <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
marika.konings@icann.org</a> </span></i></p>
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