<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie,<br><br>for Peter Kimpian, I understand that he won't be suggested as coming from GAC but as an independent expert/advisor on data protection? I think there is language about an expert who can be invited by WG, also to make difference about independent resources we are requesting too at resources section. <div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le dim. 1 juil. 2018 à 21:37, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">When I made my
intervention (sent a well marked up copy to the entire council
list) my focus and concern was on not letting the business
community get out of balance with the GNSO voting status quo.
As we know, there is a GNSO review coming up and they have
been attempting to minimize us for years, we should IMHO be
watchful for every move. expanding to 9 or some other ratio
seems risky to me....the contracted parties are at 3 and 3, I
think we should try to keep the GNSO voting balance,
recognizing that we have the advisory councils in there which
does put us further into a minority position. <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">My colleague Tara
Whalen, former tech expert from the Office of the PRivacy
COmmissioner of Canada and now at Google, has expressed
interest in joining from SSAC. This would be a very good
choice...and help push back the commercial anti-cybercrime
guys at SSAC from overwhelming us. Just letting you know who
I have been talking to. I would agree with FIk that getting
more people is not as important as getting the right people.<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">PS for those who were
not paying attention to the high interest panel, I note that
Fab Vayra pointed out his firm Perkins Cole is representing
the top 50 countries in the world on privacy....now as I have
tried to point out, we should be careful what we ask for in
training. I dont want the privacy counsel at Perkins Cole
coming in to brief the EPDP....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">And to repeat, the COE
is willing to assign Peter Kimpian to this group. That would
be great.</font></font></p>
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<div dir="auto">As we discussed in NCSG list, I think we can
argue equality and balance as argument. No idea what is the
right number as it is not vote-based, however we can suggest
follow to follow council composition. The only drawback is
that makes the team quite big in term of size. The other
option is 3 per SG. We can strategize how to use that for
negotiation. I guess proposing first option (council model)
can lead to the 2nd option (3 for each) at the end. </div>
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<div dir="auto">With regard to AC rep, while we can argue for
1 for SSAC, ALAC, ccNSO(there is no indication they want to
participate), GAC was pushing and being vocal for 5 reps. So
3 would be a compromise. I understand there is desire to
have 1 rep for all as redline but wondering how much it is
feasible. </div>
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<pre style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> Attached is my updated version of the membership structure (following this mornings discussion)</font></i></pre>
<pre style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I would like to know based on what rationale it was decided to allocate 9 membership slots to CSG while all other SGs have only 3 members.</font></pre>
<pre style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Can someone bring up the problem clearly on the list? If you want to coordinate, please lets have a chat about this on the PC mailing list upon your arrival from Panama on Monday. Ayden has weighed in but we need to weigh in and call out the number of membership slots that been allocated to CSG as opposed to NCSG.</font></pre>
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Can you please confirm you have noted these suggested edits by Ayden and that you will update your document?
If no one has any objection to them, may i suggest these edits be incorporated in the latest version of the draft charter?
Thanks,
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Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
><i> On Jun 27, 2018, at 11:23 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icann at ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:
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</i>><i> Thank you for preparing this, Keith.
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</i>><i> I do not support other SO/ACs being able to appoint 3 members each. I prefer the original language that they only be permitted to appoint 1 member each (and 1 alternate).
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</i>><i> I remain concerned with the first bullet point, and prefer the original text that members be appointed by Stakeholder Groups. How each Stakeholder Group organises itself internally to appoint its own membership composition is its own prerogative.
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</i>><i> Similarly, in regards to bullet point # 9 on establishing consensus, I would like this to be revised from "SG/C" to "Stakeholder Group."
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</i>><i> In regards to bullet point # 12, please revise from, "The CPH must not be disadvantaged as a result during any assessment of consensus" to "Neither the CPH nor NCSG of the NCPH may be disadvantaged as a result during any assessment of consensus."
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</i>><i> Thank you again for working on this, Keith.
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</i>><i> Best wishes,
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</i>>><i> On 27 June 2018 10:10 PM, Drazek, Keith via Epdp-dt <<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">epdp-dt at icann.org</a>> wrote:
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