<div>This is a good argument. Will you take it to the drafting team list, Stephanie?</div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 2 July 2018 2:33 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">I think we can justify
it (and I believe it is necessary) because this is the first
time the interim spec power was used, and it is addressing the
single biggest policy issue we have repeated to resolve.
Tight council control, and greater transparency, is therefore
necessary.</span></span><br></p><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">cheers Stephanie
Perrin</span></span><br></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-01 20:32, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ayden, <br></div><div><br></div><div>it is difficult. The council rarely appointed for the case
of GNSO PDP WG, while it did for CCWG and CWG cases. The SSC
charter doesn't include a language about WGs but review teams,
empowered community structures and so on as that was an
addition brought by IANA stewardship transition, adding a
chair selection task would be a precedent and may encourage
doing that in future for any WG.<br></div><div>as it is an exception, we should try to keep it limited. we
can also argue about timing. SSC would need more time to
proceed and get prepared following its charter.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Rafik<br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le dim. 1 juil. 2018 à 23:49, Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> a
écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>My gut reaction is that I agree on leaving this
with Council leadership, but it's a hard argument to
make. The SSC's charter does sound like it is whom we
should be deferring to. How would you counter such an
argument, Rafik? <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block-proton
m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 1 July 2018 7:47 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am concerned with moving selection
to SSC. While it worked fine for other
appointments, I dont think it can do deliberation
in such short time. I would be in both options
(and I will do my best): leadership or SSC but
former seems more quicker. <br></div><div dir="auto">Names of candidates and statements
are also made public , in particular for review
teams appointments. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik <br></div><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 1, 2018, 1:07 PM
Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Secrecy of the candidate statements is
a non-starter. This is a global public
policy issue of great public interest and
it deserves appropriate public scrutiny.
Too often people forget that we are
engaging in global governance at ICANN,
and ICANN’s commitment to transparency in
its bylaws cannot be ignored or lowered
out of concerns about being in the public
eye. Accountability demands transparency
in the formulation of this critical global
policy. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Robin<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:50 PM,
dorothy g <<a href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>It should be made clear to
candidates upfront that these
statements will be in public
domain. These are positions
affect the community and the
community has the right to know.<br></div><div>best<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at
3:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>There should be
transparency here. I
actually think candidate
statements (and especially
conflict of interest
statements) should be made
public. The claim of being
"sensitive to privacy" is
one I am finding difficult
to understand. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent
from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462HOEnZb"><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462h5"><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Jun 29,
2018 at 20:19,
Martin Pablo Silva
Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>Any strong
opinions here? This
proposal changes the
general
understanding of,
yesterday. <br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Martin <br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Begin
forwarded
message:<br></div><div><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font">Carlos
Raul Gutierrez
<<a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>></span><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>Re:
[Epdp-dt]
Candidate
Confidentiality</b></span><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font">29
June 2018 at
08:22:22 EST</span><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>,
Marika Konings
<<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",Times,serif"><p>I support
Donna's
position,
particularly
as the
expectation on
neutrality
(perceived or
real) may
depend on the
eye of the
beholder.<br></p><p>As Michelle
expressed
during one of
the meetings,
who has no
vested
interest in
the results of
this PDP?<br></p><p><br></p><p>safe
travels to all<br></p><div><div>--- <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace"><a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a><br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">+506 8837 7176<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">Aparatado 1571-1000<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace"><div>COSTA
RICA <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><p><br></p><p>El
2018-06-29
07:34, Austin,
Donna via
Epdp-dt
escribió:<br></p><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px"><div>All <br></div><div> <br></div><div>Apologies
for missing
this
discussion
yesterday. I
want to
express my
reservations
about the
agreement that
the EPDP Chair
candidate
names be made
public. I
believe they
should be
confidential
or, at a
minimum, the
candidates
should at
least have the
option to
decide whether
they wish to
have their
candidacy made
public. Given
the subject
matter of this
PDP, I thought
we might be a
bit more
sensitive to
privacy.<br></div><div> <br></div><div><div>I'm also
disappointed
that the
selection task
falls to the
leadership
team. We
established a
standing
selection
committee for
this purpose.
I understand
the concerns
about being
able to
undertake the
task quickly,
but this same
pressure will
be on the
leadership
team as well. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If the
candidate
names are
public this
also puts
considerable
pressure on
the leadership
team in terms
of lobbying
and claims of
bias in
selection etc.
We may also
have potential
conflicts of
interest arise
and as there
is only three
of us this
would leave
the job to
two. The SSC
is more
representative
of the GNSO
and has a
methodology in
place for
selections as
a result of
the processes
they've
undertaken to
date.<br></div></div><div> <br></div><div>Thanks<br></div><div> <br></div><div>Donna<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Sent from
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