<div>This is a good argument. Will you take it to the drafting team list, Stephanie?</div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 2 July 2018 2:33 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">I think we can justify
          it (and I believe it is necessary) because this is the first
          time the interim spec power was used, and it is addressing the
          single biggest policy issue we have repeated to resolve. 
          Tight council control, and greater transparency, is therefore
          necessary.</span></span><br></p><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">cheers Stephanie
          Perrin</span></span><br></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-01 20:32, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ayden, <br></div><div><br></div><div>it is difficult. The council rarely appointed for the case
          of GNSO PDP WG, while it did for CCWG and CWG  cases. The SSC
          charter doesn't include a language about WGs but review teams,
          empowered community structures and so on as that was an
          addition brought by IANA stewardship transition, adding a
          chair selection task would be a precedent and may encourage
          doing that in future for any WG.<br></div><div>as it is an exception, we should try to keep it limited. we
          can also argue about timing. SSC would need more time to
          proceed and get prepared following its charter.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Rafik<br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le dim. 1 juil. 2018 à 23:49, Ayden
                Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> a
                écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>My gut reaction is that I agree on leaving this
                  with Council leadership, but it's a hard argument to
                  make. The SSC's charter does sound like it is whom we
                  should be deferring to. How would you counter such an
                  argument, Rafik? <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block-proton
m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 1 July 2018 7:47 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-6856807432306283455protonmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am concerned with moving selection
                      to SSC. While it worked fine for other
                      appointments, I dont think it can do deliberation
                      in such short time. I would be in both options
                      (and I will do my best): leadership or SSC but
                      former seems more quicker. <br></div><div dir="auto">Names of candidates and statements
                      are also made public , in particular for review
                      teams appointments. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik <br></div><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 1, 2018, 1:07 PM
                          Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
                          wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
                          0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                          solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Secrecy of the candidate statements is
                              a non-starter.  This is a global public
                              policy issue of great public interest and
                              it deserves appropriate public scrutiny. 
                              Too often people forget that we are
                              engaging in global governance at ICANN,
                              and ICANN’s commitment to transparency in
                              its bylaws cannot be ignored or lowered
                              out of concerns about being in the public
                              eye.  Accountability demands transparency
                              in the formulation of this critical global
                              policy. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Robin<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:50 PM,
                                    dorothy g <<a href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>It should be made clear to
                                        candidates upfront that these
                                        statements will be in public
                                        domain. These are positions
                                        affect the community and the
                                        community has the right to know.<br></div><div>best<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at
                                          3:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                                          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                          solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>There should be
                                            transparency here. I
                                            actually think candidate
                                            statements (and especially
                                            conflict of interest
                                            statements) should be made
                                            public. The claim of being
                                            "sensitive to privacy" is
                                            one I am finding difficult
                                            to understand. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden  <br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent
                                            from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462HOEnZb"><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462h5"><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Jun 29,
                                                    2018 at 20:19,
                                                    Martin Pablo Silva
                                                    Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>Any strong
                                                    opinions here? This
                                                    proposal changes the
                                                    general
                                                    understanding of,
                                                    yesterday. <br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Martin <br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Begin
                                                          forwarded
                                                          message:<br></div><div><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
                                                          Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font">Carlos
                                                          Raul Gutierrez
                                                          <<a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>></span><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
                                                          Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>Re:
                                                          [Epdp-dt]
                                                          Candidate
                                                          Confidentiality</b></span><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
                                                          Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font">29
                                                          June 2018 at
                                                          08:22:22 EST</span><br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
                                                          Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_-6856807432306283455font"><a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>,
                                                          Marika Konings
                                                          <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Times
                                                          New
                                                          Roman",Times,serif"><p>I support
                                                          Donna's
                                                          position,
                                                          particularly
                                                          as the
                                                          expectation on
                                                          neutrality
                                                          (perceived or
                                                          real) may
                                                          depend on the
                                                          eye of the
                                                          beholder.<br></p><p>As Michelle
                                                          expressed
                                                          during one of
                                                          the meetings,
                                                          who has no
                                                          vested
                                                          interest in
                                                          the results of
                                                          this PDP?<br></p><p><br></p><p>safe
                                                          travels to all<br></p><div><div>--- <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace"><a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a><br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">+506 8837 7176<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">Aparatado 1571-1000<br></div><div class="m_-6856807432306283455m_1422160499530549462m_2706171658473853523pre" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace"><div>COSTA
                                                          RICA <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><p><br></p><p>El
                                                          2018-06-29
                                                          07:34, Austin,
                                                          Donna via
                                                          Epdp-dt
                                                          escribió:<br></p><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px"><div>All <br></div><div> <br></div><div>Apologies
                                                          for missing
                                                          this
                                                          discussion
                                                          yesterday. I
                                                          want to
                                                          express my
                                                          reservations
                                                          about the
                                                          agreement that
                                                          the EPDP Chair
                                                          candidate
                                                          names be made
                                                          public. I
                                                          believe they
                                                          should be
                                                          confidential
                                                          or, at a
                                                          minimum, the
                                                          candidates
                                                          should at
                                                          least have the
                                                          option to
                                                          decide whether
                                                          they wish to
                                                          have their
                                                          candidacy made
                                                          public. Given
                                                          the subject
                                                          matter of this
                                                          PDP, I thought
                                                          we might be a
                                                          bit more
                                                          sensitive to
                                                          privacy.<br></div><div> <br></div><div><div>I'm also
                                                          disappointed
                                                          that the
                                                          selection task
                                                          falls to the
                                                          leadership
                                                          team. We
                                                          established a
                                                          standing
                                                          selection
                                                          committee for
                                                          this purpose.
                                                          I understand
                                                          the concerns
                                                          about being
                                                          able to
                                                          undertake the
                                                          task quickly,
                                                          but this same
                                                          pressure will
                                                          be on the
                                                          leadership
                                                          team as well.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>If the
                                                          candidate
                                                          names are
                                                          public this
                                                          also puts
                                                          considerable
                                                          pressure on
                                                          the leadership
                                                          team in terms
                                                          of lobbying
                                                          and claims of
                                                          bias in
                                                          selection etc.
                                                          We may also
                                                          have potential
                                                          conflicts of
                                                          interest arise
                                                          and as there
                                                          is only three
                                                          of us this
                                                          would leave
                                                          the job to
                                                          two. The SSC
                                                          is more
                                                          representative
                                                          of the GNSO
                                                          and has a
                                                          methodology in
                                                          place for
                                                          selections as
                                                          a result of
                                                          the processes
                                                          they've
                                                          undertaken to
                                                          date.<br></div></div><div> <br></div><div>Thanks<br></div><div> <br></div><div>Donna<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Sent from
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                                                          mailing list <br></div><div><a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a> <br></div><div><span class="TSRSpan" id="TSRSpan_235"><img class="TSRWebRatingIcon" style="width:
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