<div dir="ltr">I see it differently, what she said, Ayden. She says if Council wants the SSC to do it, she will be happy but she seems pushing it away and wants to have Council run the process. I am for the later for the reasons Rafik mentioned and some of those Susan herself mentioned with regards to the timing. That's my understanding...<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>------------------------<br>*<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank"><b>Arsène Tungali</b></a>*<br></div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br>CEO,<i> <a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br>Tel: +243 993810967<i><br></i></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i><br></i></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br><br></i></div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Brazil</a> & <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Mexico</a>) <font face="monospace,monospace">- <a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" target="_blank">AFRISIG 2016</a> - </font><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - ICANN's <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" target="_blank">GNSO Council</a> Member.<i> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i> </i>(<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" target="_blank">Mauritius</a>)<i> - </i><a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" target="_blank">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i> </i><br><br>Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank">English</a>) and (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242" target="_blank">French</a>)<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-07-02 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Arsene,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think Susan is saying just the opposite, she is the Chair of the SSC and would be happy to lead this process? For the reasons that Rafik has indicated let's try to get Council leadership to make this selection...<br></div><span class="im HOEnZb"><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div class="m_-835743509579874369protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-835743509579874369protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_-835743509579874369protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-835743509579874369protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div> On 2 July 2018 7:10 AM, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="m_-835743509579874369protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Susan and would encourage us to go for council leadership team instead of the SSC, also for the reasons Rafik pointed out on this issue<br></div><div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="m_-835743509579874369gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>------------------------<br></div><div>*<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank"><b>Arsène Tungali</b></a>*<br></div></div><div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br></div><div>CEO,<i> <a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br></div><div>Tel: +243 993810967<i></i><br></div></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i></i><br></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br></i></div><div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Brazil</a> & <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Mexico</a>) <span class="m_-835743509579874369font" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">- <a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" target="_blank">AFRISIG 2016</a> - </span><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - ICANN's <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" target="_blank">GNSO Council</a> Member.<i> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i> </i>(<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" target="_blank">Mauritius</a>)<i> - </i><a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" target="_blank">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i> </i><br></div><div><br></div><div>Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank">English</a>) and (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242" target="_blank">French</a>)<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br></div><div>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Susan Kawaguchi</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:susankpolicy@gmail.com" target="_blank">susankpolicy@gmail.com</a>></span><br></div><div>Date: 2018-07-02 4:31 GMT+01:00<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [Epdp-dt] Candidate Confidentiality<br></div><div>To: "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin@team.neustar><br></div><div>Cc: "<a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Donna, <br></div><div><br></div><div>We discussed using the SSC process but the council thought it may take to long. The quickest we were able to make a selection was 2 weeks. The other issue to consider is that the SSC consists of members from the SG and C's. Rafik and I are the only councilors on the committee. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The SSC charter requires that we have full consensus on all decisions which usually takes more time. The members take their instructions from their SG or C so more information about the candidate will be shared broadly. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree the SSC has created a good working process and I am willing to lead the SSC in the selection if necessary. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards, <br></div><span class="m_-835743509579874369HOEnZb"><span class="m_-835743509579874369colour" style="color:#888888"><div><br></div><div>Susan <br></div></span></span></div><div class="m_-835743509579874369HOEnZb"><div class="m_-835743509579874369h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Austin, Donna <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank">Donna.Austin@team.neustar</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div>I concede on the confidentiality aspect, but I would prefer to have the selection process done by the SSC. Rafik is part of that process already—Susan, does this address your request for leadership input?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div id="m_-835743509579874369m_-5306632067630251516m_-8368914716422541235AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p><span class="m_-835743509579874369size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="m_-835743509579874369font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I agree that this should be a public process. I think we should try as much as possible to encourage candidates to have a public statement about why they believe they can be a neutral and effective chair. In this
respect, I would consider the parameters of the decision to resemble an election more than a hiring decision.</span></span><br></p><p><span class="m_-835743509579874369size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="m_-835743509579874369font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Lobbying will be inevitable, there are very few folks with no skin in the game, so it would be better to have more transparency.</span></span><br></p><p><span class="m_-835743509579874369size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="m_-835743509579874369font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Stephanie</span></span><br></p><div class="m_-835743509579874369m_-5306632067630251516m_-8368914716422541235moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-30 11:28, Susan Kawaguchi wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Donna, <br></div><div><br></div><div>If the council would like to rethink the use of the SSC for this selection I am open to it but would think the Leadership team should be very involved. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I disagree on the need for confidentiality of the candidates names. We did discuss not disclosing any details of the candidates beyond the SOI which is required of all of us. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Although, GDPR concerns privacy ICANN operates best with transparency. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards, <br></div><div><br></div><div>Susan <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Austin, Donna via Epdp-dt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div>All <br></div><div><br></div><div>Apologies for missing this discussion yesterday. I want to express my reservations about the agreement that the EPDP Chair candidate names be made public. I believe they should be confidential or, at a minimum, the candidates should at least have the option
to decide whether they wish to have their candidacy made public. Given the subject matter of this PDP, I thought we might be a bit more sensitive to privacy.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>I’m also disappointed that the selection task falls to the leadership team. We established a standing selection committee for this purpose. I understand the concerns about being able to undertake the task quickly, but this same pressure will be on the
leadership team as well. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> If the candidate names are public this also puts considerable pressure on the leadership team in terms of lobbying and claims of bias in selection etc. We may also have potential conflicts of interest arise and as there is only three of us this would leave
the job to two. The SSC is more representative of the GNSO and has a methodology in place for selections as a result of the processes they’ve undertaken to date.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<br></div><div><br></div><div>Donna<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div id="m_-835743509579874369m_-5306632067630251516m_-8368914716422541235m_1275304627077029715AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><span style="display:block;overflow:hidden;width:343px;height:29px;padding-left:0.00937652587890625px" class="m_-835743509579874369m_-5306632067630251516m_-8368914716422541235m_1275304627077029715outlook-overflow-scaling"><table style="width:535pt;margin-left:30.3pt;border-collapse:collapse" class="m_-835743509579874369m_-5306632067630251516m_-8368914716422541235m_1275304627077029715MsoNormalTable" width="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr style="height:27pt"><td 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